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Insanepyro69 10-30-2001 11:20 AM

I Feel Stupid:)
 
After years of messing with windows i've decided to go with linux mainly because I want a More stabil Os but also i heard that linux can be alter to any way you feel it necissary

Now i've finally downloaded phat linux. after about 2 week of downloading On A 56k Modem,Then I followed the User guide for installation but i get a kernal kill error when i try to boot. So now what everyone has told me to go with mandrake but i want phat because i can run it on the same partition and i can dual boot it with my other Os's, And On top of that it would take me about 1 month to download 650mb's.
I've very confused and need help if you can offer anything plz e-mail me at

Insanepyro69@hotmail.com

I tried to recive help at school but, they told me to stick with windows i told them to F*ck off
Being 15 and good with windows 3.1.95,98,nt,xp
and knowing them inside and out. Comes in handy but i want a challenge. I Just 5 minutes of someone's time. So plz Help me Out
I would greatly appreciate it.


Pyro,

LiVe, DiE aNd In BeTwEeN...
BuRn AlOt Of Sh*t
:confused: :Pengy: :newbie:

acid_kewpie 10-30-2001 12:41 PM

i REallY Hate iT WhEN SK8R kiDz UsE miXXXXXd CaSe.
Also dislike it when people ask ppl to just mail them, as if the forum wasn't good enough to come back to, but that's irrelevant.

anyway, you SHOULD get mandrake, buy it from a linux-cdr vendor online, should only be erm.. $8 i guess... just search for 'linux' and 'cheap' on google.

you can install mandrake inside a windows partition, but as with phat (aahhh come on, you chose it cos of the name! ;) ) it'll run pretty poorly, so if you DO want a challenge, you'll partition your hard drive, and install it properly anyway.

and Mandrake comes on 2 cd's minimum, so that'd be 2 months...

trickykid 10-30-2001 01:16 PM

well, if you can try to get your exact error posted here that might help out determining what might be going on. like at what point during boot does it give you that error, and such.

though, i don't know anything about phat linux, their support sucks, it seems if you buy the cd, you can email them with your problem to get it fixed. all the other links they have point you elsewhere and their known bugs and fixes, they claim now they have none with their version 3.0 or whatever.

there is a mandrake version out there that runs on a windows partition and there are other ways like vmWare if you don't want to mess with your windows partition, but to tell you the truth, i wouldn't run linux on windows, that is going against why your installing it to use it. linux most likely is going to run best on its own filesystem and formatted drive. most likely your not going to have as many problems if you made your linux install a pure linux install.

isajera 10-30-2001 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by acid_kewpie

you can install mandrake inside a windows partition, but as with phat (aahhh come on, you chose it cos of the name! ;) )

lol - probably true. anyway... all linux's are basically the same. it's just the duct tape holding the progs together that differs. phat's duct tape sucks.

also, just as a tip... most script kiddies aren't too hot on linux... not enough security holes to exploit.

tcm_va 10-30-2001 06:55 PM

try ZipSlack
 
Slackware Linux is considered THE distro for Linux purists. If you want to learn Linux, get Slackware because you have to do everything yourself. Wanna GUI? Download Xfree86, compile it and install it. Linux Format put ZIPSlack on their most recent edition. It is a small installation for FAT32. That's right, FAT32. It unzips to a directory on your current running Windows partition. Then you can use LILO or a boot disk to boot from that directory.

Mandrake is great if you think that the OS developers should do that stuff for you. RedHat and Suse are good at that, too. Try

http://www.pogolinux.com/systems/linuxcd.html

Insanepyro69 10-30-2001 11:06 PM

Why Do People .... Assume
 
First why do u assume i was a sk8er??
Second If i wanter securty flaws
I would go with unix

Third i just want to use phat
Because i want to see if I'll even like linux
If it doesnt fit my needs and is not flexible i
dont want it

And I'm not a techo punk if i wanted to do something "Bad" I
Could do it now

I just want to learn.

This board is great, But e-mail would allow me for instantes
Quicker replys

I Really dont know what to do i dont know much programming and
I know scripting wont come easy but like i said i want to learn

I will post the bug shortly in Full

Live die and in between burn alot of sh*t
(Happy)

gummi 10-31-2001 01:04 AM

First off. If you want to learn then Linux is a good teacher.

Secondly, like someone above said, Distributions are all just different wrapping paper around the same box of goodies, (of course some people might consider that same box to be Pandora's box of goodies, but that's not me).

You sound all full of enthusiasm which is good, but you really ought to consider buying (Bying as opposed to downloading is endlessly better) your first distro complete with manuals and all. (Whichever one you chose you'll be glad you did). Personally I use Debian and I really can't understand this thing with Slack being the only distro that makes you work on the setup, it took me a while to get it all set up and working.

As far as puting Linux on a separate partition on the same disk as Windows, well that almost sounds like an insult to linux to have to drag that evil thing around every time it wants to have a spin on the old disk. It really is more hassle than it's worth to have 2 OS's on the same disk, it's just bad karma.
:rolleyes:

Insanepyro69 10-31-2001 02:32 PM

Good Point
 
more than likley i will buy linux i want to run dual because i'm not sure that alot of applications i use will run off linux. Thats the only thing i belive that is bad about linux.all the distros have different purposes not 1 of them can do anything just as good as the next. One might be good for gui another for faster process.(Hope you get the point) thats why i'm having trouble figuing out which one to get i do a variety of tasks not just graphics processing or programming or gaming I do them all and then some more.
I'm trying to find a distro that is well rounded

for a wide variety of task. I will buy linux but i have to find out which one suits me best

trickykid 10-31-2001 02:55 PM

Re: Good Point
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Insanepyro69
more than likley i will buy linux i want to run dual because i'm not sure that alot of applications i use will run off linux. Thats the only thing i belive that is bad about linux.all the distros have different purposes not 1 of them can do anything just as good as the next. One might be good for gui another for faster process.(Hope you get the point) thats why i'm having trouble figuing out which one to get i do a variety of tasks not just graphics processing or programming or gaming I do them all and then some more.
I'm trying to find a distro that is well rounded

for a wide variety of task. I will buy linux but i have to find out which one suits me best

well that is the beauty of linux though, it is so customizable, it truly doesn't matter what distro you use. when you break them down, most usually consist of the same components, same kernel, most of the same programs, the main difference is usually their own utility tools and etc..
you can take any distro you want, do a minimal install and add whatever you want, update the software with others or newer ones, update the kernel, X.. and whatever...

phek 10-31-2001 03:00 PM

Why not just get pqmagic to shrink your win partition without loosing the data and make a new partition for linux? it would be dual bootable. Also, the only difference between the distro's really are, what applications they come with and where they're located and then theres the 1 big difference, user-friendliness. If you want a nice GUI and for it to pretty much install itself go with Mandrake. If you want a nice gui and it to install itself 3/4 of the way go and you get the other 1/2, go with Red Hat. Then theres my favorite (i've never touched anything besides it) is slackware, i'd suggest if you actually want to make linux a challenge, go with slack, you have to configure most things yourself, and the GUI is secondary. One other thing that is different among distro's is security, the more applications you have on your system, the more holes you have, so therefore mandrake and redhat arent the best for security. If your really intrested in security, theres going to be a new distro that combines the secure kernel of NSA with the an interface as easy as red hat or mandrake (without the holes that they have). Not sure what its going to be called yet, but hopefully its gonna be released soon.

Insanepyro69 10-31-2001 09:57 PM

Thank U
 
Believe it or not phek you've helped me the most of everyone and i greatly appreciate it now as for me right now i'm going to search for mandrake Oh one more question if anyone could help me

If i download linux do i need to download a kernal toO????
thats one thing that i havent been able to figure out

isajera 11-01-2001 01:40 AM

ok... first... sorry for the sk8ter comments. we get wannabe h4ckers here every so often, and try our best to chase them off. :) welcome to the site.

you don't need to download a new kernel with a distro. any distro will come with a ready-made kernel to run. you only need to download a new one if you want to use a different kernel version. i STILL recommend just forking out the thirty bucks to buy redhat or mandrake or suse, but i know many newbies who have had problem-free installs from downloaded iso's. which one you go with is it up to you, but after a while, the difference between the distros becomes pretty small.

BaerRS 11-01-2001 09:18 AM

I am one of the lucky people who get paid to work with Linux everyday, I pretty much to the same thing at work that I do at home, play.

Here is my take on 4 main players.... SuSE, Mandrake, Caldera, RedHat... (the order, is the order I prefer them....)

Easiest Install:

Caldera 3.1 -- Easiest Install, 1 Disk

Tied for 2nd:

Mandrake 8.1 , 2 Disk
RedHat 7.2 -- Easy Install, 2 Disk
SuSE 7.3 -- Easy Install, 1 Disk.. 7 & 1DVD *can only download an Eval Version..

Very Brief overview: (in my humble opinion)

Caldera: Corp Desktop, Programmers
Mandrake: User friendly, probably the easiest for Linux Newbies
RedHat: Corp server, -- most widely used in US and / or Corp Desktop and / or Home user
SuSE: Copr server, -- most widely used in Europe and / or Home User

*Note here, that all distros can do anything any other distro can do.. you just have to add the right software packages. So.. if you like everything about Mandrake.. but really like software package X that's on SuSE... just add software package X to your Mandrake install.

My personal suggestion to you, is either Mandrake or Red Hat.
You will get fast, quit, good answers to your questions if you use a disrto that many are familiar with.

I would not suggest buying the distros the first time. Reason being.. Use one, two... ten different distros and find out which one suits you.. that you like the most. As far as the manuals go.. get a book at your local book store.

After you find a distro that you like, "do buy" the distro from the manufacture, not because you need to.. because most of them you can download for free.. but because you like what you are using and you want to insure that it is going to be their in the future.

Well.. this book is getting a little to long.. so I'm going to sign off,

Scott

Insanepyro69 11-01-2001 12:07 PM

Sweet
 
isajera

I Accept Your appology.

I heard their are alot of distros that require u to compile the installation code\script.
About the kernal i'll have to post the exact error i get with phat linux. I dont get it i downloaded phat linux the sizes are right and i have the kernal linux.img file i dont get it's like starting to learn how to use a keyboard and mouse again. I do Plan on buying alot of linux distro's but moneys one issue for me at the moment so it will be a while (a.k.a Gotta find a job)

Sathe 11-01-2001 02:26 PM

Redhat
 
quite personally my man, everything they say is true, i've only worked with redhat, someday i want to try mandrake, but that will be down the line. unfortunately i've only heard bad things about PHAT linux......"the duct tape doesn't hold well" Red Hat is really good, and the lilo boot manager is good for dual booting. I didn't buy my first distro, i got it from a friend just the cd's and off i went, its got a good GUI so if you cant figure something out in command line you can always launch xwindows and do it there. and they are right, most distros (excluding slack ) come with an already compiled kernel.....i know redhat7.1 did. i just got 7.1 and am itching to try it, to see whats new. Let me tell though, no matter waht distro you go with, there is a lot of good ppl out there will to help, especially here. i don't think i have ever posted a question here that i didn't get an answer to or that someone didn't lead me in the right direction. Best of luck with linux. feel free to come back for help.


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