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Old 05-28-2007, 03:54 AM   #1
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I cannot completely install any distro


Hi all,
I am trying to give MythTV a try, but I can't even get a basic install of Linux running (I did in Virtual PC 2007, but not natively). Here are the distros I have tried:

Fedora Zod (FC-6-i386-DVD.iso): Stalls at ananconda portion of the install even in text mode and rescue mode.

Debian (40r0-i386-netinst.iso): Installs, but cannot start X-server (no gui). It can't seem to identify my hardware, and it says things like can't allocate combined write areas or something.

KnoppMyth Release 5 F1: Seems to recognize my X1900 when booting CD and completely installs, but when rebooting to the hard disk I get a blank screen.

I am an advanced computer user/developer, but I don't have much Linux experience. I am starting to think my hardware just doesn't support Linux or something. I have been using this gear for over a year without any issues on XP, so I know I don't have any hardware problems.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

My hardware:
Asus P5WD2-e
4GB RAM
P4 955EE 3.4Ghz
X1900 Video card
SB X-FI audio
1x250GB ATA WD2500JB
2x150GB SATA Raptors RAID 0
2x400GB SATA Maxtor RAID 1

Note: I freed up some space on my RAID0 for Linux, but figured out that Intel "software" raids are not supported by Linux. I specifically added the ATA drive to be dedicated to Linux. I made it first in the boot order.


-z
 
Old 05-28-2007, 05:50 AM   #2
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Please clarify :
after your reboot the computer, have you see the option allow you to choose which os to boot up?
If yes, after you choose particular option (example linux), you see any progress(Text or bar)?
You see a totally blank screen or a inside something like a DOS?
You press any button and the computer have no any response?

Regards,
Ks
 
Old 05-28-2007, 06:06 AM   #3
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One thing I can think of to take a look at is your BIOS settings, I had some issues because of that - in my case only with sound, but who knows......
Look for a setting like "Plug and Play OS" (in may or may not be there it depends on the system board, and BIOS version), if it is there, set that to No/False Windows should still work fine with that setting...
 
Old 05-28-2007, 11:26 AM   #4
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Quote:
Please clarify :
after your reboot the computer, have you see the option allow you to choose which os to boot up?
If yes, after you choose particular option (example linux), you see any progress(Text or bar)?
You see a totally blank screen or a inside something like a DOS?
You press any button and the computer have no any response?
For the KnoppMyth case, I am referring to the point where the BIOS hands off control to the MBR code. Blank screen with a blinking cursor. Pressing keys has no effect.

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One thing I can think of to take a look at is your BIOS settings, I had some issues because of that - in my case only with sound, but who knows......
Look for a setting like "Plug and Play OS" (in may or may not be there it depends on the system board, and BIOS version), if it is there, set that to No/False Windows should still work fine with that setting...
PNP OS is off in the BIOS. That is the recommended setting even for Windows.

I did finally find something that installs to a graphical desktop. Ubuntu 7.04 installed rather painlessly, so I have no idea why the others won't work. I am typing this response with Firefox from the Ubuntu desktop. So far I have found no way to get 1900x1200 running on my wide screen monitor. I am still knee deep in trying to get anything interesting to run. Xine has taken about a trillion prerequisites to get compiled and my tuner driver still won't compile. Why can't app/drv providers just supply binaries for end users? I am guessing it is all the different flavors of Linux. I am following all of the "newbie" instructions, but there has not been a single one that hasn't failed. My favorite is this one:

Just type this (after finding/download/unpacking):

./configure
make install

They didn't include the uncountable intermediate steps that have to be taken on a fresh install of Ubuntu. This is the latest one I can't get past: "error: linux/devfs_fs_kernel.h: No such file or directory". Very frustrating.

-z
 
Old 05-28-2007, 11:56 AM   #5
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Why can't app/drv providers just supply binaries for end users?
But they do! Just fire up your package manager (Synaptic?) and install, install, install ... You can add custom repositories, too.
 
Old 05-28-2007, 02:31 PM   #6
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But they do! Just fire up your package manager (Synaptic?) and install, install, install ... You can add custom repositories, too.
That's awesome. Please point me to the easy button. Now, what command do I type or what menu item do I click on to install the driver? The tuner manufactures instructions specifically say download / extract / compile / install. It would be fairly easy if they just gave you a package name. Using Google, I have found that for many things I can type "sudo apt-get install xxxxx". I have had to do that enough times while trying to compile this stuff that I lost track of the count. For instance, the C compiler was apparently installed by default, but not the C++ compiler. Even figuring out a particular package name can be a challenge if you don't know what version might be needed (libpng12-dev... etc). Your response gave me the idea to look for an xine package and I found one, but I can't help but wonder if it will be missing something that is needed to work with with my particular tuner hardware.

My biggest gripe by far however is the amount time it took me to find a distro that would actually install on my machine. As well as having to add a plain jane ATA hard drive to install Linux on without destroying my raid. Knoppmyth actually killed my raid partition table (not just the MBR) at one point, thank god for the recovery tool I found. I made the poor assumption that any OS would politely ask me what EMPTY area of a disk I wanted to install to. I found out the hard way that Linux doesn't support on board SATA Raid setups. Installing the ATA drive did not get me past the Fedora hang, non-booting KnoppMyth, and the no GUI Debian. Since I have read nothing but bad things about ATI's drivers, I am avoiding that until last. I am hoping they will give me back my multiple monitors and high resolutions.

I am a bit grouchy from lack of sleep, so sorry if I seem overly negative.

-z
 
Old 05-28-2007, 04:15 PM   #7
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https://help.ubuntu.com/
https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/add-app...s/C/index.html

Help about your new OS is right there.

About that RAID. If linux didn't see it then it does not exist. Hardware RAID presents the RAID array as a single disk to the OS, this is by definition. You have a software RAID there, aka fakeraid (it's marketed as hardware RAID). There is a Linux software RAID compatible with this, it's called dmraid.
 
Old 05-28-2007, 10:16 PM   #8
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Since you need to compile the driver for your kenel, have u install your kernel header and others important development tools?

perform this:-
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install linux-headers-(uname -r) make gcc and etc required package

And, honestly speeking Ubuntu 7.04 kelnel (2.6.20) still consider quite new for some manufacturer and maybe their driver is not supported.
About the application, Ubuntu is the easiers distro for you, as long as you have internet you can get almost all required common application.
Some more straight to the point online help for you, s
http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty

Good luck and Regards,
Ks
 
Old 05-28-2007, 10:39 PM   #9
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Since you need to compile the driver for your kernel ...
We really do not know that, do we? There are lots of drivers available as deb packages from repos.
 
Old 05-29-2007, 07:07 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Emerson
https://help.ubuntu.com/
https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/add-app...s/C/index.html

Help about your new OS is right there.

About that RAID. If linux didn't see it then it does not exist. Hardware RAID presents the RAID array as a single disk to the OS, this is by definition. You have a software RAID there, aka fakeraid (it's marketed as hardware RAID). There is a Linux software RAID compatible with this, it's called dmraid.
Any reason Linux can't embrace the standard and support it?

-z
 
Old 05-29-2007, 07:09 AM   #11
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Thanks for all the help. Ubuntu seems pretty good so far. Though I have nothing to compare it to.

-z
 
Old 05-29-2007, 08:14 AM   #12
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Any reason Linux can't embrace the standard and support it?
Yeah ... You make your settings in the BIOS, Windows driver reads the setup from BIOS and configures software RAID accordingly. And happy Windows user will never know there is no hardware RAID ... You call it a standard? Looks like mickey-mouse to me.
As I said, dmraid can do the same thing in Linux, not fully automaticlly though. You need to use dodmraid boot option for setup.
For pure Linux system where compatibility with Windows is not required I'd recommend kernel RAID, unless you want to shell out $300+ for a real hardware RAID.

Last edited by Emerson; 05-29-2007 at 08:15 AM.
 
Old 05-29-2007, 04:55 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Emerson
Yeah ... You make your settings in the BIOS, Windows driver reads the setup from BIOS and configures software RAID accordingly. And happy Windows user will never know there is no hardware RAID ... You call it a standard? Looks like mickey-mouse to me.
As I said, dmraid can do the same thing in Linux, not fully automaticlly though. You need to use dodmraid boot option for setup.
For pure Linux system where compatibility with Windows is not required I'd recommend kernel RAID, unless you want to shell out $300+ for a real hardware RAID.
I don't see any reason for you to insult people over this. The interesting thing is, Windows developers don't usually try to cast dispersions to Linux users ervery time they make a forum post. Not supporting it just sounds like arrogance to me, considering the spec is likely an open one.

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Old 05-29-2007, 05:09 PM   #14
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I'm not trying to insult anybody. Where do you see it?! What do you mean not supporting? I tell you third time: dmraid does exactly same thing under Linux what Windows does transparently for you.
 
Old 05-29-2007, 05:34 PM   #15
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And happy Windows user will never know there is no hardware RAID ... You call it a standard? Looks like mickey-mouse to me.
Happy Windows users? You meant to imply ignornant. Mickey mouse? Maybe so, but it was a real person who wrote that spec, might even be a friend of mine. I just think we can talk about technical issuses a bit more objectivly.

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I tell you third time: dmraid does exactly same thing under Linux what Windows does transparently for you.
Then why isn't it included by deafult on the install disk. Since it is "exactly" the same thing, why didn't any of the installs allow me to add my linux partion to my already built array?

-z

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