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Old 03-04-2004, 11:15 AM   #1
karupt
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Unhappy i am the worst person on earth


i cant do anything in linux and im ready to give up... i installed mandrake last nite and everything looked fine... until i tried installing new programs from the internet... somewhere in my travels of installing gtk, atk, pckgconfig, glib, and all these other things i have NO IDEA how they work... i have messed up linux like now i cant even set the right time for the clock... on top of everything else, i have a bunch of wierd files that i cant delete and even ones that are in the trash, and I STILL cant get anything to install from a tarball. what is the best linux development for a total NOOB MORON that just wants an easy transition from windows XP. I HATE MICROSOFT... but i mean, why arent these OS capable of installing DL'd files from the net out of the box?? every ./config i have done has resulted in some library error.

!!!FRUSTRATED!!!!


please help me anyone out of the kindness of your heart.

 
Old 03-04-2004, 11:24 AM   #2
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Debian has apt-get, which automatically resolves dependency issuses. Easy way to get a debian system is Knoppix.
 
Old 03-04-2004, 11:24 AM   #3
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Take a deep breath.

Now, repeat after me - I am a capable human being. I will overcome. I am capable. I will not give in to the wisperings of Bill Gates in my ear. I can do this.

Now, what types of things do you want to install on your linux machine? What capabilities are you looking for? Listening to music? Word Processing? Hard core C programming? Make a list of what it is you need and then we can help you sort out your options.

You might want to start with a comparison of Linux Distributions. IMHO Mandrake is not the easiest distro to pick up as a beginner.

I started with Redhat but then switched to SuSE when Redhat abandoned me. I have found SuSE to be a much easier distrobution to learn Linux with.

Just like with everything else in life you need a plan. Write down a shopping list of functionality and post it here.
 
Old 03-04-2004, 11:32 AM   #4
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sure... well i got mandrake cuz somewhere on the net it said it was good for beginners... but i will try ur SuSE... here is what i use my computer for... and if u havent guessed i am NOT a hardcore C++ programmer.

Shopping list:

Surfing the internet
Music
Games (probably my biggest one) (i had to keep some of my HD just for windows to run BF:1942 and RavenShield)
Desktop Customization
EASE OF USE - GUI
Video (DIVX, MPGS)
Streaming video from the net (use ur imagination)
A desktop wallpaper of bill gates getting rammed from behind by the penguin
 
Old 03-04-2004, 11:34 AM   #5
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oh yes i also want to be able to install/uninstall programs from the net swiftly and easily
 
Old 03-04-2004, 11:43 AM   #6
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One word: apt-get (for the install/unuinstall). Automatically gets all the libraries and stuff you need for a program.
 
Old 03-04-2004, 11:46 AM   #7
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For ease of installation/uninstallation I recommend Ximian Desktop 2 with Redcarpet. Once you have your machine setup with SuSE, visit www.ximian.com to download and install it. Ximian is a Gnome based desktop that takes the guesswork out of most of GUI configuration. Redcarpet is a powerful package management system that allows you to install and uninstall with a single click. It also automatically resolves dependencies (the plague of RPMs) and gives you a powerful search engine for finding new packages. You may also want to subscribe to the open carpet channels found at http://www.open-carpet.org/ which will give you more choices.
 
Old 03-04-2004, 01:29 PM   #8
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or yum, just as easy and comfortable as apt-get

with Fedora yum is included by default, and apt-get you can just download and install with yum
 
Old 03-04-2004, 01:35 PM   #9
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Karupt - here's a tip before you go installing another distro. Urpmi.

URPMI will download and install your programs. Do a search on Google for EasyUrpmi and then follow the instructions on the site.
 
Old 03-04-2004, 03:35 PM   #10
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Don't feel frustrated, throw mandrake out of the window and start with a real distro for people who wants to learn "how to...".
I tell you that I use linux from long time and last week I installed mandrake but I couldn't do anything more than just install it.

try Slackware!
 
Old 03-04-2004, 04:36 PM   #11
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You installed mandrake last night and expect everything to be great. well, think about the first time u touched a comp, did u know exactly wha tto do? how to get it to do what you wanted, and how to figure out what it could do, do u know yet? Linux is going to be a learning experience for you and it is not going to happen over night. Ok, so maybe some distros make it a little easier, but you have to remember that this is not winblows. It isn't going to take care of everything for you. Now that that is over, when i first tried linux I gave mandrake a shot and had a lot of probs with it, even with URPMI. I would suggest suse or another RPM based distros. Debian is great, but if you are frusterated with mandrake not working right after one night, i don' t think u can install debian and make it work in one night. I wouldn't try slackware either for the same reasons. there is a lot of tweaking that you may or may not have to do. I seriously look into SUSE or Fedora. Don't get frusterated, it may be tempting to just forget about it, but you are starting all over with a new OS and it is going to take a lot more than one night of having it installed to be able to do very much at all.
 
Old 03-04-2004, 05:14 PM   #12
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Tell you what Karupt,

If you think that you may have just missed things when you installed the mandrake, then worst case scenario is just re-install it again over the top of the existing install.

What I did, what when you get to the screen about package selection, just select all the stuff down the left + kde and gnome, and for the moment ignore all the server stuff on the right (except the kde and gnome with are at the bottom) - CAVEAT - this was correct for mandrake 9.1 and should be pretty similar if not identical with 9.2

Then when it says you've selected cups, webmin, etc etc do you really want to install them, I just tell it no.

Then it completes the install from the disc's as per the instructions. By selecting both kde and gnome, you should have all the necessary gtk, glib, etc etc stuff.

Then follow XavierP's suggestion and go here and follow the instructions.

If, during the stuff moving up the terminal/konsole screen you see an error for whatever i.e. main or contrib etc then just let it finish, go back to the easy urpmi site and follow the instructions again, but only select the facility for whatever caused the error - which is usually a mirror that won't let you get in (it's a good "rule of thumb" to select the ones closest geographically to where you are).

Then you have to go to the mandrake control centre (as root), and use the software manager, then rpmdrake update, make sure that you check security fixes, bug fixes and normal updates. and select them a couple at a time and tell them to install. It can take a while and will depend what type of internet connection you use. But at the end of that your system should be up to date.


Then, if you look in the rpmdrake + facility to install software, the packages that you see as available will be mandrake compatible rpm's. And you just get to pick and choose. Anything you want to uninstall is then listed in the rpmdrake- facility.


It sounds like you've hit dependency problems, installing stuff from the net. that's often a problem when installing non mandrake rpm's (or non SuSE rpm's if you followed that route). Yes it can be done, but you often have to dig around, when the package you try to install gives an unsatisfied dependency and you then have to look around for the dependency packages before you try to install the actuall package that you want a second time (and even then it can still be a nuisance - it's often called "rpm hell" ).

That's one of the "joys" of rpm based systems.

Another route, would be to use windows to download and burn a copy of Knoppix. Once done, boot from it, and if it detects all your hardware OK (which it probably will) then if you look at the knoppix forums there's instructions on installing it to hard disc(and in my experience, it's nearly as easy as installing mandrake), you then have a debian based system up and running, but without the stress of trying to install a "proper" debian based system (which can be considerable if this is your first "foray" into linux).

Personally? I'd say don't ditch mandrake yet. Whatever the "others" think/feel, mandrake IS a proper system, capable of doing all the stuff that the others can do with whatever system they just happen to favour

Hope this helps

regards

John
 
Old 03-04-2004, 05:28 PM   #13
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Yes, thanks BigJohn for injecting a bit of rationality.

The mandrake distribution is perfect for people new to Linux. If you've just spent around 6 hours downloading a distro, being told to download another one is not helpful. Follow BigJohn's instructions for setting up urpmi and/or reinstalling. Once you get over the frustration of feeling as though you don't know what to do next, Linux is a very rewarding experience.

And of course, if you do get stuck, LQ is here to help
 
Old 03-04-2004, 06:08 PM   #14
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Da Nada, XavierP

Your's just happened to be "the pearl amongst swine". Apart from your post no-one else seemed to have told karupt anything constructive.

All that "this is better than that" kind of stuff, really irritates me - I just wanted to shout "get stuffed, it's all good. Help the person, don't hinder them".

regards

John

Last edited by bigjohn; 03-04-2004 at 06:10 PM.
 
Old 03-04-2004, 08:31 PM   #15
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Thumbs up The easy way to Linux

You can have Linux a very easy way. Just get you LindowsOS and meet their very friendly and helpfull community. If you just follow the instructions given by the LindowsOS Audio Assisted Tutorial you might even need ... no-one! Its that easy. Programs are handled by a special client Click-N-Run (CNR). Believe me mate, with LindowsOS you can do it and you will be free from M$ as you wish while capable to in and un-install programs with a simple click of your mouse..
There are more great Linux distro's out there but if it comes to ease LindowsOS is the uncrowned champ. Just DON"T (as many do) skipp the inbuild tutorials. Take some time to have your OS explaining itself. Within a day or so your going full steam with Linux. (That's what it is).
 
  


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