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Old 12-02-2005, 10:53 AM   #16
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Re: I'm volunteering to set up a server for my church. Some questions...


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We also want a backup solution so no data is ever lost.
Aside from the question being asked in the rest of this thread, I wonder how to protect servers and backup processes against power outages?
 
Old 12-02-2005, 11:24 AM   #17
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Is it as simple as connecting an external USB hard-drive and finding scheduling software to copy everything? If so, do you wise Linux folk have any recommendations? :-)
 
Old 12-05-2005, 02:10 AM   #18
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What about a raid1?
Doing backups will still be best practice.
But the raid1 would be a nice safety net requiring little input
 
Old 12-05-2005, 02:52 AM   #19
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here is a "how-to"
to take mandriva 2006 and make a server
http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_mandriva_2006
there are also "how-to"s for debian and suse
http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_suse_9.3
http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge

plenty of other useful stuff

any other questions
just ask

cheers
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Old 12-05-2005, 12:34 PM   #20
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For your GUI request I would recommend you install Webmin. http://www.webmin.com/
It's a great bridge for people that aren't quite comfortable with the command line and will let you complete most administrative tasks on a server.

Webmin is a web based interface that will allow you to do system administration functions using a web browser. you do not need to be in front of the server to do admin work, you do not have to have a GUI installed on the server. you can add webmin users and grant them various levels of control, so you could give someone the ability to add/administer users but not change anything else. someone else could handle users and samba and backups, etc..

With all the admin tools in one interface it makes it a bit easier to find what you need. you're not trying to run SWAT for samba, some other tool to handle users, another tool for printers, etc.. etc..

Webmin will run on ANY distribution (afaik) so the distro isn't quite as important. I prefer Debian but I wouldn't call it a great distro for a new Linux user. Suse or Debian would probably be my recommendations for you from a distro standpoint. I would recommend avoiding any distro that changes rapidly (such as Fedora Core) for server use.. You want a server to remain stable and not go through a lot of changes and updates that may break things, this is where Debian Stable excels.


Take a look at Usermin also, it can give each user some control over their own settings, interoffice email, etc..

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Old 12-05-2005, 01:50 PM   #21
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I've heard of Webmin, but the thought of using this to administer things never crossed my mind. It sounds like a great idea! I'll have to give it a try once the server is set up and see how it would work for us.
 
Old 12-05-2005, 02:04 PM   #22
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webmin is on the mandriva distro (for example). Some of the admin tasks in webmin are also
in the GUI of mandriva control center. But the GUI is not the answer to everything.
 
Old 12-05-2005, 02:11 PM   #23
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I'm installing Ubuntu server edition, but I'm guessing it should still be fairly easy to set up...maybe via APT-GET? As long as some basic administrative functions are present in the GUI, I'd be happy.
 
Old 12-05-2005, 05:14 PM   #24
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Well-intentioned though you may be, and I'm sure that your church is grateful for the offer, make sure that you can give them a thoroughly professional job. That includes, in particular, careful research and planning .. determining and articulating their requirements and evaluating their options systematically before any physical work is done.

Even pro bono work counts as a solid professional reference.
 
Old 12-05-2005, 05:46 PM   #25
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I think anything will be better than how they're set up now. :-) But no worries, this is definitely something we're looking to do well and right.
 
Old 12-05-2005, 07:06 PM   #26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mateo1041
Is it as simple as connecting an external USB hard-drive and finding scheduling software to copy everything? If so, do you wise Linux folk have any recommendations? :-)

For backup, rsync is great. It is a command line program, but it can easily be set up as a cron job. I use it to back up my important stuff to a couple of different computers both on my LAN and over the Internet. It is certainly capable of doing a backup to a USB drive as well.
 
Old 12-05-2005, 11:17 PM   #27
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One suggestion:
to add users, one needs root privileges. Just give these privileges to a selected few (one or two should absolutely be enough) as root can be a dangerous user.
 
Old 12-06-2005, 08:15 AM   #28
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Right now I'm having some trouble with setting up the initial partitions. How exactly can I do this in a RAID-1 or RAID-5 format? Does RAID-5 require 3+ hard-drives, or can I simply have 3+ partitions across 2 hard-drives? Any good articles out there on how to set partitions up?

I can deal with everything else, but RAID partitions have always confused me.

Thanks.
 
Old 12-06-2005, 08:23 AM   #29
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in mandriva and many, you need first to create the raid
using utility mdadm (this is one of the best)
once created the raid is for example /dev/md0
you can mount it to /myraid
and partition as normal, as you would a normal HD
There is a great howto software raid in the tldp

To keep it simple, often easier to do the install on a single IDE first, maybe.
Dodgy ground, after taht, my knowledge is raid0 really
 
Old 12-06-2005, 08:28 AM   #30
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Ok, so create the RAID setup first and then partition as needed with /boot, /var, etc?

The Ubuntu setup does provide a RAID utility on the partition screen, but I just haven't really figured out how to use it. :-)

Thanks for the help so far! I really do appreciate it.
 
  


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