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Old 07-16-2009, 07:53 PM   #31
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False premise. Here's a Netcraft summary of large hosting providers:

http://uptime.netcraft.com/perf/reports/Hosters

As of the July 16, 2009 report, company breakdowns for primary hosting OS look like:
  • Linux: 20
  • FreeBSD: 7
  • Windows: 7
  • Other: 6
Wow FreeBSD is even with Windows. I figure that number will probably be going to linux sooner or later. I know one hosting ViaVerio when I lasted talked with them they were removing Freebsd and doing all linux.


@Windows_90% - I understand your frustartion that you have a simple question that is not getting answered, but making remarks like that is not going to help. That will lead to pretty much a dead end road where nobody wins and no one's opinion was changed.
 
Old 07-16-2009, 08:28 PM   #32
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Thanks god there are also "decent" Linux users.
I got so mad when I have seen that the owners of Ubuntu decided not to make public the information.
They just stick the forum rules under my nose and said that no matter for which reason (not even for a damn virtual machine) the users of that forum and the producers of the system are not allowed to disclose the information to beginners and locked the thread so nobody could post the info. A good user sent me a PM with info.

Nice way to welcome new users.
I glad to switch from the monopolistic Windows to the "open" and "we know better than you" Linux.
I think they have a perfectly legitimate reason not to publish that information. Linux is safe only because most of it's users and developers are devoted to keeping it safe. One part of that is being responsible about the kind of information you distribute to new users. Growing number of security-sloppy users would mean mountains of trouble for everybody, and that's not what anybody wants. In many cases experienced users really _do_ know better than you, no reason to be offended by that. Consider it more like covering your back so you don't hurt yourself taking your first steps in the Linux world

If you want to try something new, it's generally not a very good idea to start by first breaking the thing. If you were to try out a fancy new flatscreen tv, you most likely wouldn't start by pointing a gun at it and pulling the trigger.
 
Old 07-16-2009, 08:34 PM   #33
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LOL
this is why we don't run as root!
see my post I just made
"LOL..I did it again, as root! Damn it Jim! Help!"
 
Old 07-16-2009, 09:01 PM   #34
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Puppy Linux may be a better choice than Ubuntu for you. See discussion of root in Puppy Linux. That's the good thing about Linux, there is a lot of choice.
 
Old 07-17-2009, 03:06 AM   #35
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@ Windows_90%

I'd like to echo that what you were finding was a reluctance to pass on or make public knowledge that could be harmful to your system and potentially to Linux users in general if a lot of people started adopting sloppy security practices.

You might gain a bit more understanding of how the community works by reading problem #3 on this page.

Basically, you have to remember that none of us get paid for this! We ask for and provide advice because we want to and hope to learn something from the advice we get and, indeed, from the advice we give!

One last point that no-one else has raised yet. Would it not have been better to have Linux_10% as a user id? That along with more information regarding your intentions in a forum other than the Newbie one would probably have got you a better response.

I hope you begin to 'get' how the Linux community works and I hope whatever distro you choose meets your needs.
 
Old 07-17-2009, 07:34 AM   #36
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One last point that no-one else has raised yet. Would it not have been better to have Linux_10% as a user id?
Jesus man.
You get stuck in a user ID?
This is really what bother's you.
Do you care quite that much about a computer box/OS?

Actually I was trying to show that I am ready (after 11 years) to make room in my Windows life to some Linux again. Lets say 10% for the beginning. I was thinking is quite positive.
Didn't know some "high in the sky" Linux guru will be so touched by my name.
 
Old 07-17-2009, 07:45 AM   #37
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@Windows_90%: as said by others before, expressing yourself the way you did didn't exactly come across as friendly. LQ is a particularly welcoming and friendly forum when it comes to all things GNU/Linux but you have to understand that comms work both ways. Adding replies that are openly hostile or otherwise retalliating doesn't win you any friends. I think you stand a better chance if you just concentrate on asking or answering problems of a purely technical nature until properly acclimatised.

* BTW this goes for others as well. Challenging others is OK but please do so with respect and based on facts.

Last edited by unSpawn; 07-17-2009 at 07:49 AM.
 
Old 07-17-2009, 07:55 AM   #38
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Can someone close this thread? This is becoming silly.
 
Old 07-17-2009, 08:31 AM   #39
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Can someone close this thread? This is becoming silly.
Since you're still quite new to LQ: closing a thread is a last resort measure because it cuts a discussion short which is highly unsatisfactory for everyone involved. Threads do not get closed without good reason. And "silly" definately does not count as an objective argument. Of course any member may suggest closure by using the report button (instead of thread replies) and supplying a good reason. Please keep that in mind next time.
 
Old 07-17-2009, 09:00 AM   #40
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OK, I'm sorry. This thread isn't really a problem, that was indeed a provoking a post from me. This isn't silly, but this sort of discussion is old... Please forgive my rudeness.

Since this thread is too stuffed for a simple question like "How to run only as root?" anyway (yes, even for security and habit warnings - it's become a discussion), I'm using it in order to apologize officially for offending people instead of PM's.
 
Old 07-17-2009, 09:22 AM   #41
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sorry for my late response.
Stop fighting its so simple and very easy to run the root without any password.
Its just a matter of one simple command and the password of root is removed just in
a minute. How told you that you, its hard or not possible to run linux without a root
password.

Just you have to remove the password of root and enjoy working with root without a password.
Now i going to tell you how this is possible.
Use the following command to remove the password of root.
# passwd -d root
above command delete the password of root and enjoy working with root without any password.
But always remember running linux without a root password is not safe. So Please avoid this.

Thanks a lot
 
Old 07-17-2009, 12:54 PM   #42
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On my Debian system, whenever I enter some inane sudo command, I get the following response:
Code:
mark@debian:~$ sudo install

We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System
Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things:

    #1) Respect the privacy of others.
    #2) Think before you type.
    #3) With great power comes great responsibility.

[sudo] password for mark: password
Sorry, user mark is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/install' as root on localhost.
mark@debian:~$
Perhaps some automatic messaging system for inane postings on this site could one day be enabled (but I digress).
 
Old 07-17-2009, 05:45 PM   #43
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What happened to "free as in speech"?

With Linux, if someone wants the ability to shoot themself in the foot, they should have the freedom to do that. Even if it is bad policy. Even if it is bad security. Even if it results in that person permanently destroying important data.

Do we own our systems? Or do the people answering questions own our systems?

If the original poster was asking to login as root to the GUI for a box or VM he did not own, I could understand people's reluctance to answer. And I would expect just that: NO ANSWER.

Filling up this thread with opinions about why he should not have that knowledge is an incredible waste of time. I know I am not reading every response posted here.

If I see a post on LQ that I do not want to answer, I do not answer it. Imagine what would happen if everyone posted their reason for not answering to every question they read. What a waste of space that would be.

The real point here is that with Linux we own our hardware, and our software, and our data. And we also have the power to destroy all three.

The only way to learn how to use such awesome power is to exercise it. And sometimes, the exercise of awesome power results in awesome destruction. And by "awesome", I do not mean "really cool". I mean "inspiring awe". Remember that part of the definition of "awe" is "dread" or "terror":

Quote:
Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster
Code:
    awe
Etymology:
    Middle English, from Old Norse agi; akin to Old English ege awe, Greek achos pain
Date:
    13th century

1: an emotion variously combining dread, veneration, and wonder that is
   inspired by authority or by the sacred or sublime "stood in awe of
   the king", "regard nature's wonders with awe"

2: archaic a: dread, terror b: the power to inspire dread
 
Old 07-17-2009, 07:17 PM   #44
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What happened to "free as in speech"?
As far as I'm concerned "free speech", "information wants to be free" and equivalent popular phrases have absolutely nothing to do with this.


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I know I am not reading every response posted here.
There have to be better ways to show respect for what's been contributed already than saying that.


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With Linux, if someone wants the ability to shoot themself in the foot, they should have the freedom to do that. Even if it is bad policy. Even if it is bad security. Even if it results in that person permanently destroying important data.
Some users just don't know how to handle GNU/Linux. Other users clearly show they just don't care about GNU/Linux. Anything that puts a fellow LQ member at risk is a potential risk for all of us. So while caution is necessary (do ask if unsure) challenging your fellow LQ member (in an effort to educate) should not be mistaken for a negative response. IMHO.
 
Old 07-17-2009, 09:25 PM   #45
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On my Debian system, whenever I enter some inane sudo command, I get the following response:
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<snip>
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Perhaps some automatic messaging system for inane postings on this site could one day be enabled (but I digress).
Sorry, but I'm missing the point, the joke, whatever........

If this thread gets any more non-helpful, non-constructive, or non-adult posts, it will be closed......

Is OP still with us?
Did he/she get the desired information?
Does the thread still have value?

......enquiring minds want to know...
 
  


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