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Old 10-22-2010, 07:53 PM   #1
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How to install the downloaded software-a true newbie question.


Dear friends,
I have downloaded 7ZIP and located the download using "find" in "search for files". I am providing two snaps. Kindly guide me thru' the process of installation of 7ZIP onto the desktop! Thank you.

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Old 10-22-2010, 07:57 PM   #2
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I'm sorry but, Isn't 7zip only available for windows?

Edit: sorry, I checked the website a bit more thoroughly and found some linux downloads...

Anyway whatOS are you using?
It looks like Ubuntu so you should be able to install it like any other .deb
try:

dpkg --install file.deb

where "file" is the 7zip package name.

I also noticed a source package, so if you want to compile it yourself you can try the standard
./configure
make
make-install
and see if that works, check the README and such for more info, but I wouldn't try it this way if you're new.

hope this helps!

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Old 10-22-2010, 08:06 PM   #3
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You don't need to download and install p7zip from the web.

If running Ubuntu 10.x (you did not mention distro).

Go to System>administration>synaptic

Open it up.

type in search box p7zip

Install it.

Edit: Ok. I see from your logo you posted in Ubuntu.

2nd Edit: If wanting to make a launcher on Desktop. Please elaborate.

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Old 10-22-2010, 09:40 PM   #4
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To, lostzinzthought
Thank you for the elaborate install instructions! I am not still so adept at building my own 7ZIP,though (LOL)!

To rockytnji,
Yes, the distro is 10.04 LTS Ubuntu desktop edition. I wish to place such useful softwares like "7ZIP" on the desktop. I request you for further advise!
regards,
vyver.
 
Old 10-23-2010, 01:33 AM   #5
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7Zip,??

Hi,

First, you can install using apt-get or yum or synaptic etc depending upon the distribution you are using. Then open the terminal and run the command whereis p7zip (I found p7zip from the repository), it will return you three places, 1st is of bin file second is of man and one more , may be library.

Now, on desktop create a custom launcher and add the command p7zip, may be you will also have to add the location of bin file.

All set to go. you just got a p7zip launcher.
 
Old 10-23-2010, 10:39 AM   #6
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To, rokytnji
If a Desktop Launcher will help in installing the downloaded packages,so that i can put them on the Desktop for use, then it's "GO" for me! There are 10 D-launchers for the Distro i have and "Docky" and "Python-Docky" are two of them.Thanks roky!

To,Ashwinipatankar,
Hi there,You seem to have a "handle on things"(Tommy Lee Jones"in MIB-1 talking to Will Smith), though you are labelled as a newbie. That happens many a times! Thank you.
regards,
vyver.(A real Newbie)
 
Old 10-23-2010, 11:42 AM   #7
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Quote:
If a Desktop Launcher will help in installing the downloaded packages,so that i can put them on the Desktop for use, then it's "GO" for me! There are 10 D-launchers for the Distro i have and "Docky" and "Python-Docky" are two of them.Thanks roky!
It's a very strange need, to make a Dtop launcher to the installation package (if I got it right). U rather install app, and then make a launcher to that app, to run it (not to run installation again).

I remember, when I was a real newbie, founding difficult to understand the installation process on Linux, especially to those I wanted to install manually (not over package manager). So, when things became clearer, there they were - 4 ways of installing apps on Linux:

1. Package manager (safest way, mainly because all dependencies are solved automatically - U don't have to think of them)

2. Deb, Rpm installation archives (work like exe, msi, etc. on Windows - also pretty safe, but not as safe as pack.managers - in the context of dependencies)

3. Building from source (not so advanced as it sounds, but surely more work to do than in above 2 ways)

4. Sometimes I adore them: precompiled, location independent/relative path based apps, that U just copy to desired location and make a Dtop launcher (or link it in /usr/bin to have access from "run menu") to the executable file/script that runs the app. I use Blender testing releases in that way, and I used Firefox on KDE in that way too.


So pick a way to install app on your Linux, but pick it wisely. Usually PackManager is sufficient.

Regarding your 7zip - perhaps U don't need to use p7zip as a standalone app. Usually it is used as a plugin by complete archivers - like Ark or FileRoller. U just install p7zip (just like unrar) and there is the end of your query.

Good luck

Last edited by arijan; 10-23-2010 at 12:01 PM.
 
Old 10-23-2010, 11:33 PM   #8
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To arijan,
Quote" I remember, when I was a real newbie, founding difficult to understand the installation process on Linux, especially to those I wanted to install manually (not over package manager). So, when things became clearer, there they were - 4 ways of installing apps on Linux:"Unquote.
The above almost sums up my prob.Thanks arijan.Keep a hawk-eye on this post please!
Okay, let me come clean:
1) Is there a way to install without using the Terminal (CLI-i am yet to learn!)

2) Where are my "blasted"(sorry) downloads going(location)? Man,i downloaded two games ,each above 80MB in size and can't locate them!

3)Checked under "applications and drew a blank.

4)The downloaded softwares(other ones)are in "downloads" and are appended with tar.gz. How do i open them and get these apps. on the desktop, get,set,go?

5)For example,"/home/sreedhav/Downloads/antivir-workstation-pers-2.1.12-19" is mentioned under its"properties"(rt.click) to be in iNode/Directory. Okay, i locate it and there are 11 files-->

/home/sreedhav/Downloads/antivir-workstation-pers-2.1.12-19/gui/bin
/home/sreedhav/Downloads/antivir-workstation-pers-2.1.12-19/gui/gui
/home/sreedhav/Downloads/antivir-workstation-pers-2.1.12-19/gui/legal
/home/sreedhav/Downloads/antivir-workstation-pers-2.1.12-19/gui/antivir_start.real
/home/sreedhav/Downloads/antivir-workstation-pers-2.1.12-19/gui/avira-logo.png
/home/sreedhav/Downloads/antivir-workstation-pers-2.1.12-19/gui/gui_workstation_common.tgz
/home/sreedhav/Downloads/antivir-workstation-pers-2.1.12-19/gui/gui_workstation_linux_glibc22.tgz
/home/sreedhav/Downloads/antivir-workstation-pers-2.1.12-19/gui/gui_workstation_linux_glibc22_s390.tgz
/home/sreedhav/Downloads/antivir-workstation-pers-2.1.12-19/gui/gui_workstation_solaris_sparc.tgz
/home/sreedhav/Downloads/antivir-workstation-pers-2.1.12-19/gui/PERSONAL

So,is this the paydust and kindly guide me as to how to go about INSTALLING IT! THERE RUNS A BIG COMMUNICATION AND INTELLECTUAL GAP BETWEEN THE GEEKS AND NEWBIES (FACT!)and the Geeks have to bend down to lift these "Titanic" survivors! The folks who are used to spoon-feeding by MS find it mighty difficult to adapt to Linux and if anybody says otherwise,he/she's lying straight! That's why the help forums for Linux are so needed and the seniors have to have patience, tolerance and understand that the newbies are true novices! Please help ! Thanks to rokytnji,patankar, arijan and others!

regards,
vyver.

Last edited by vyver; 10-23-2010 at 11:35 PM.
 
Old 10-24-2010, 02:15 AM   #9
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Quote:
1) Is there a way to install without using the Terminal (CLI-i am yet to learn!)
if the Gnome desktop
there is the "add and remove software" under the applications menu

Quote:

2) Where are my "blasted"(sorry) downloads going(location)? Man,i downloaded two games ,each above 80MB in size and can't locate them!
where did YOU tell firefox to save them?
the default is IN YOUR home folder under Downloads

once you install p7z using the GUI package manager ( ubuntu you said) app-get
it will auto be added to "fileroler " and available under the r-click menu
-- there is NO NEED to put it on the desktop ( the Microsoft way)

Quote:
5)For example,"/home/sreedhav/Downloads/antivir-workstation-pers-2.1.12-19" is mentioned under its"properties"(rt.click) to be in iNode/Directory. Okay, i locate it and there are 11 files-->
there is also no need for Anti virus software that looks for Microsoft viruses
they WILL not work on linux

Quote:
So,is this the paydust and kindly guide me as to how to go about INSTALLING IT! THERE RUNS A BIG COMMUNICATION AND INTELLECTUAL GAP BETWEEN THE GEEKS AND NEWBIES
not really you are just NOT USING the already installed package manager to install the already built software

and have you looked at the ubuntu support page ?
http://www.ubuntu.com/support
http://ubuntuforums.org/
 
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:46 AM   #10
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I am completely aware of your confusion - it's just Windows syndrome: when U try to operate on Linux and have Windows in your head - it'll go away, trust me. U usually get help, although sometimes in "codes" by geeks - that's true, but also sometimes U're expected to start your gears - 'cause that's the hard but the best way of learning things.

So:

If U DLded .tgz archive, that probably means U've got just a part of some app. If U look inside some .deb archive U'll find a couple of .tgz archives inside - what it tells U?: that they are meant to be extracted to the proper dir during installation process - so usually U don't expect whole app to be in one .tgz (it'd be like if U take only one piece of .cab or .zip from some installation under Windows and expect to work like complete app. - but U rather execute .setup file, and it prompts all needed)

I'd suggest U not to mess up with such manual installations - usually, your initial Linux has almost everything U need.
Just install video driver for nice visual effects, some additional multimedia, and/or some graphics/utilities depended on your occupation, and don't worry about viruses - it's not Windows - U're safe here. So for start, just enable additional repositories in package manager and use only that, until U get more familiar with the system (and U'll not need terminal if U hate it right now - but believe me, U gonna love it as soon as U get more knowledge).

So, literary:
go to your main menu, and choose "add software" (I suppose U're on Ubuntu, if U use Suse - find Yast and there "add software") - it cannot be more user friendly than it is now - it's more straight forward than it ever was on Windows (I can go that far, to say that Ubuntu is managing to bring the system usage easier and quicker than on Windows)
To enable additional repositories (those that hold software officially non supported by Ubuntu - like divx codecs, etc) go to main menu, preferences sub menu, and choose "software sources" - there U have to check those that are unchecked under "additional sources" tab (if I remember correctly how it goes under Ubuntu)
In order to install proper video driver, go to main menu, administration, hardware drivers - and check/enable the driver, which will automatically DL and install it for U after the restart. If problem persists with the unsupported version of your graphic card (if U have a very old or non popular vendor card), start new thread on particular problem or find it on forums, for it's usually solved somewhere.

It's important for U to understand the difference from Windows in the context of applications:
a number of Linux apps go along with some other apps on which they depend (dependencies) - so that's why usually it's not enough to just DLoad desired app and run it, but rather U do it over pack.manager where it does all for U. U've probably used to have all installations on your HDisk, and when fresh installing Windows, U just reinstall them. U can do that also here for some common apps (like Opera, Skype: generally those that come with complete .deb archives), but for others it is the safest way to do over pack.manager. If U want to have that apps installations forever, and install them from local drive rather than from internet, it is possible but not suggested (because each new Linux version comes with updated apps, so your old ones would be outdated, and so on. So, in other words, Linux is pretty much dependent on internet if one wants to follow releases and progress.



Regarding DL locations:

If U use Firefox, check default DL dir in preferences, or just choose to ask U where to save every time dl start. For any other browser also check default DL dir in prefs.
If U used pack.manager to DL app, but not to install them automatically: all dlded package archives are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives. U can save them somewhere else if U like, and return them back there if for some reason U come to install this particular Ubuntu again, and want to prevent re-downloading apps (this is the solution for above mentioned situation)

That's all for now - don't blow your head off so soon, 'cause U gonna need some nerves and cool head if U wanna get out of newbie state.

Learn to enjoy Linux (and there's lot in it to enjoy) - not to make pain of it

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Old 10-24-2010, 07:10 PM   #11
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To JohnVV,
Thanks for the help!You are right that the default downloads in FF is"Downloads".As arijan said,i am trying out Lucid Lynx with Win.XP in mind!I WILL read the support notes.

To,arijan,
Windows Syndrome--dead right ,you are! MS has made dummies out of us! Yes,i must start using "gears",b'cause Linux is not for the lazy! I am not lazy and promise to master 1)CLUE (Command Line User Environ) and 2)Package Manager! You have been MOST helpful!Thanks a lot mate!
Regards to both,
vyver.

PS:i'll be back in a day or two as i have a lot of appointments with patients waiting!Kindly bear with this UBUNTU-Ignoramus!ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ARE MOST WELCOME AS I NEED ALL THE HELP I CAN GET!

Last edited by vyver; 10-24-2010 at 07:15 PM.
 
Old 10-24-2010, 07:23 PM   #12
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Dear arijan,
Just wanted to tell you, video(NVIDIA G-Force 8400) and the sound drivers have been successfully installed and it's unalloyed joy to hear the music and movies(like--Live Free Or Die Hard-Bruce Willis)! I have yet to check out the printer compatibility.I have Xerox Phaser 3117. Icompletely agree with you that this ubuntu-LTS is a piece of brilliant build with "ease of use"and all the problem is "me"!
regards,
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