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Old 01-19-2007, 02:21 PM   #16
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This is again a Linux offer "use impossible".

My virtual dedicated server was Fedora, only Fedora that will never change until server seller changes their mind.

Also i have never tried Gentoo, i am not sure to see those problems again and again.
yes i have 2 pay for Redhat but its price is same or higher than Windows price.
i choose Windows cuz i was not sure that those problems will be on Redhat too.
 
Old 01-20-2007, 07:40 AM   #17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertes
This is again a Linux offer "use impossible".

My virtual dedicated server was Fedora, only Fedora that will never change until server seller changes their mind.

Also i have never tried Gentoo, i am not sure to see those problems again and again.
yes i have 2 pay for Redhat but its price is same or higher than Windows price.
i choose Windows cuz i was not sure that those problems will be on Redhat too.
Perhaps it might be pertinent for you to take a closer look at whats been posted my friend. The linux and free comments are particularly relevant because the original poster did point out that they were trying to install an enterprise product. This is not free.

You also allude to things being better/cheaper under windows. If that were the case, why is it that some of the "big boys" (erm, people that you've probably never heard of - like Amazon and Google) use linux ?

It's fair to say that when people are starting out, they can quite easily make some elementary errors - the obvious one being the choice of distro. One person did suggest Gentoo, which as a distro can be exceedingly confusing to install (though it does provide some of the best online documentation of any distro). Once installed, the management processes are very easy i.e. although command line, once you know the command, for example, updating
Code:
emerge -upD world
or similar to install something
Code:
emerge <packagename>
it's "portage" package management system does it all for you. That is, downloads the source and any dependencies and compiles it according to how you have your system configured.

That is quite similar to the way in which debian based systems work, except that debian does it with pre-compiled binaries.

This, in turn, highlights the way packages are provided by the different distros. For the likes of Redhat Enterprise versions, then you would probably have to "cough up the readies" (erm, not sure if thats what you have to do for the SuSE enterprise system as well, though "OpenSuSE" will do the same thing for nothing - I'm unsure whether there are different repositories for the paid for stuff verses the free offerings).

Hence someone else posted about using something a little more user friendly when starting out. Which is why it was suggested that Mandriva, Ubuntu (or Kubuntu) and other distros like that are good starting points. Then when some knowledge/familiarity has been gained, along with any possible "downside" issues, then it's probably time to try something a bit more adventurous.

This Sidux that I'm using, is based on "pure debian SID". If you then checked out the debian SID, you'd find that its the "unstable" branch of debian. Which is probably enough to scare the new user stupid - and prevent them from even trying it. But in truth, it's not that hard at all (it can't be if a nugget like me can manage it). It's still quite new and as such doesn't (yet) provide an ISO image. They're working on that though. So installing isn't necessarily as straight forward as it might be eventually.

Please don't take this as criticism. It's not intended to be like that, just my effort to clarify a few of the issues that have cropped up in this thread.

I wish you (and others) success, with whatever version of linux you end up with, either paid for or free.

regards

John
 
Old 01-22-2007, 05:29 AM   #18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertes
the famous yum command does not worked on my fedora virtual dedicated server,
at some forums i found that there is something missing they offered me redhat
up2date command
i do not have chance to change os from fedora to redhat.
So your hosting provider has, for some reason, disabled an important part of the system, (the software installer). No wonder you had problems but these had nothing to do with Linux and everything to do with your hosting provider.

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So my dear tech staff at www.generaldots.com offered me to install all plugins instead of me once,
but i refused him and said i have to learn it myself.
You deliberately chose to install these things the hard way, again it's no wonder you ran into problems.

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3 weeks passed but i am still trying to learn how to install imagemagick and GD2 to a fedora but all linux experts offers some money, this is why i love microsoft. You can solve your own problem with enough materials at Microsoft.com
It's quite ironic that you post that on this site which is dedicated to helping people solve problems just like this. Even moreso that you refused the help of the hosting provider who put you in this mess to begin with and then complain that other people want money to fix the problem.

Last edited by tkedwards; 01-22-2007 at 05:31 AM.
 
Old 01-22-2007, 09:13 AM   #19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkedwards
You deliberately chose to install these things the hard way, again it's no wonder you ran into problems....Even moreso that you refused the help of the hosting provider who put you in this mess to begin with and then complain that other people want money to fix the problem...
Yes i had choosen the hard way to learn it with my effort. Also this case is a test for me to understand the difficulties i ll face with Linux.
Hosting provider could do it for me but later i ll also need an urgent help, the best way is to solve your problems with your experience in such cases.

I wrote here because free ImageMagick and GD software producers wrote information on their web pages which did not worked on my problem with Linux.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tkedwards
It's quite ironic that you post that on this site which is dedicated to helping people solve problems just like this.
I am posting to this site that i have seen many people who does not know how to install these programs to their servers. I am sure most of them are not/&will not able to find solution. I give them "THE SOLUTION". I do not give them complains just the best solution i have found.

Yes, solution is easy, IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO INSTALL LINUX SOFTWARES USE MICROSOFT WEB SERVERS.
This forum aims to find solutions to people and share information.

I do not give empty answers to people who needs solutions.
This is my solution in this forum, until some people will write how to install ImageMagick or GD to Fedora Linux.

Last edited by Libertes; 01-22-2007 at 09:16 AM.
 
Old 01-22-2007, 02:28 PM   #20
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Yes i had choosen the hard way to learn it with my effort. Also this case is a test for me to understand the difficulties i ll face with Linux.
It is good to learn howto build things from source like that for building your technical skills etc. However you can't reject the alternative easy, simple way to do it on Linux and then claim that Linux is too hard and impossible to use.

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I am posting to this site that i have seen many people who does not know how to install these programs to their servers. I am sure most of them are not/&will not able to find solution. I give them "THE SOLUTION". I do not give them complains just the best solution i have found.
The "SOLUTION" to installing those things on Fedora is to use the package management system, ie. yum - it works for all the other Fedora users out there. You chose a hosting provider that had specifically disabled it, that's the reason you had problems - not some horrible difficulty or complexity in Linux.

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Yes, solution is easy, IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO INSTALL LINUX SOFTWARES USE MICROSOFT WEB SERVERS.
This forum aims to find solutions to people and share information.

I do not give empty answers to people who needs solutions.
This is my solution in this forum, until some people will write how to install ImageMagick or GD to Fedora Linux.
Posting onto a Linux help site telling people to 'just use Windows' is trolling, plain and simple, it truly is an 'empty' answer.
 
Old 01-22-2007, 08:57 PM   #21
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Again i have not find a solution here, but from another location i forun the solution for installing install installation of ImageMagick to Linux systems
here it is which worked:

Step 1 : Get these files App.15 minutes

ImageMagick-6.2.3-0.tar.gz
jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz
libpng-1.0.6.tar.gz
libtiff-lzw-compression-kit-1.1.tar.gz
tiff-v3.5.5.tar.gz

Step 2 :
ImageMagick needs a few support libraries to install properly. You can check for the header files in /usr/include and /usr/local/include to see if each library is installed. If you don't find one or all of them then they will need to be installed.

tiff.h
png.h
jpeglib.h

Step 3 :
Create a temporary directory at your server i created like this
/home/libertes/imagemagick

Step 4 :
Copy the files to your temporary imagemagick directory, uncompress them like:

$ gunzip *.gz

Then unpack everything:

$ tar -xvf ImageMagick-6.2.3-0.tar
$ tar -xvf libpng-1.0.6.tar
$ tar -xvf libtiff-lzw-compression-kit-1.1.tar
$ tar -xvf jpegsrc.v6b.tar
$ tar -xvf tiff-v3.5.5.tar

then:

$ cd libpng-1.0.6
$ cd scripts

Now do an "ls" and look for the makefile that matches your operating system. If you can't find one for your OS, makefile.gcc should work. Copy the makefile to the libpng-1.0.6 directory:

$ cp makefile.linux ../makefile

In the line above, I used makefile.linux, but you should use your appropriate makefile. Continue:

$ cd ..
$ make
$ make install
$ cd ..

$ cd jpeg-6b
$ ./configure --enable-shared
$ make
$ make install
$ cd ..

(For this next part, if you don't have "pico", you can use "vi" instead, i had vi)

$ cd libtiff-lzw-compression-kit
$ pico Makefile

change
TIFF_SRC_DIR = /tmp/libtiff
to
TIFF_SRC_DIR = ../tiff-v3.5.5

Then save and exit the Editor $ make install
$ cd ..
$ cd tiff-v3.5.5
$ ./configure

Answer yes to TIFF Configuration Parameters

$ make
$ make install
$ cd ..

$ cd ImageMagick-6.2.3
$ ./configure --enable-lzw=yes --enable-shared=yes --disable-static --without-perl
$ make
$ make install

That's it! Now my famous ImageMagick worked.

But if you are on a Virtual Dedicated server like my case it is also possible to install it
I have installed this to virtual dedicated servers of generaldots.com (company name just for checking the properties of dedicated server)

INSTALLING IMAGEMAGICK WITHOUT ROOT PERMISSIONS

Create a directory for imagemagick.
It doesn't need to be in your cgi-bin, it can be anywhere in your web root / web accessible directory tree. My directory is /home/libertes/public_html/imagemagick for the examples below (be sure to change the paths below to point to your imagemagick directory, not mine).

Note: I would recommend installing ImageMagick without .TIF or .PNG support unless you absolutely need it, since the non-root install procedure is easier without it.

Copy the ImageMagick to your imagemagick directory, and unpack it:

$ tar -xvf ImageMagick.tar

1. ImageMagick needs the jpeg library to install properly. You can check for the header files in /usr/include and /usr/local/include to see if the library is installed. If you don't find it then it will need to be installed.

jpeglib.h

2. Download the following files and FTP them (via binary mode) to your imagemagick directory:

jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz

Once the file is in your imagemagick directory, uncompress it:

$ gunzip *.gz

Then unpack everything:

$ tar -xvf jpegsrc.v6b.tar
Create some directories within your imagemagick directory to hold library files:

$ mkdir bin
$ mkdir lib
$ mkdir man
$ mkdir man/man1
$ mkdir include

Now install the jpeg library:

$ cd jpeg-6b
$ ./configure --enable-shared --prefix=/home/techimo/public_html/imagemagick
$ make
$ make install
$ cd ..

$ cd ImageMagick-5.3.8
$ ./configure CFLAGS=-O2 --prefix=/home/techimo/public_html/imagemagick --without-perl --disable-static --enable-shared --with-modules --without-magick_plus_plus --without-bzlib --without-dps --without-fpx --without-hdf --without-lcms --without-jbig --without-png --without-tiff

$ make
$ make install

That's it! Be sure to set up config.php or the php file related to ImageMagick to point to the location of "mogrify", which should be in the "bin" directory of your local ImageMagick install.

This is my second solution for imagemagick
my first solution was using Windows Server instead of a Linux server
i hope this will be beneficial.
 
Old 01-23-2007, 02:41 PM   #22
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The solution used by most people is to simply do:
Code:
yum install ImageMagick
If you don't have access to the software installer that's hardly a fault with Linux, merely your hosting provider.
 
Old 01-24-2007, 02:50 AM   #23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkedwards
The solution used by most people is to simply do:
Code:
yum install ImageMagick
If you don't have access to the software installer that's hardly a fault with Linux, merely your hosting provider.
Yum was disabled by the hosting company
 
  


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