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Old 06-12-2005, 10:15 AM   #1
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Question How to install FC3 on SATA drive


How do I install Fedora Core 3 on a primary boot SATA drive? This drive is a Hitachi, and the SATA chipset appears to be a VIA VT8237. I downloaded what appears to be the correct driver here (URL deleted because I have less than 5 posts Grrr!)

I don't know the first thing about linux and I find it extremely frustrating to work with it. Here's what I do know: When the splashscreen shows, and since Linux is too dumb to recognize a SATA drive, I assume I need to hit F2 (options) to install a driver. Okay...now all need to do is figure out how make the driver disk so that Fedora can read it. The driver I downloaded has too many files on it to fit on a floppy, so there must be some method that will make the disk under Windows.

I read the readme file and driver installation PDF, but they appeared to be of no help. I need someone who has the time to speak to me as if I were in 3rd grade again and give me step-by-step instructions if making this driver disk needs to be done under linux.

This system is an AMD-64, riding on a Gigabyte K8 Triton Micro ATX (Model GA-K8VM800M).

Also, if anybody knows anything about security camera DVR cards, I would love to hear from you. In theory, this system will be a recorder for several cameras.

Thanks in advance!
 
Old 06-12-2005, 11:51 AM   #2
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Re: How to install FC3 on SATA drive

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Originally posted by sfxlover
How do I install Fedora Core 3 on a primary boot SATA drive? This drive is a Hitachi, and the SATA chipset appears to be a VIA VT8237. I downloaded what appears to be the correct driver here (URL deleted because I have less than 5 posts Grrr!)

I don't know the first thing about linux and I find it extremely frustrating to work with it. Here's what I do know: When the splashscreen shows, and since Linux is too dumb to recognize a SATA drive, I assume I need to hit F2 (options) to install a driver. Okay...now all need to do is figure out how make the driver disk so that Fedora can read it. The driver I downloaded has too many files on it to fit on a floppy, so there must be some method that will make the disk under Windows.

I read the readme file and driver installation PDF, but they appeared to be of no help. I need someone who has the time to speak to me as if I were in 3rd grade again and give me step-by-step instructions if making this driver disk needs to be done under linux.

This system is an AMD-64, riding on a Gigabyte K8 Triton Micro ATX (Model GA-K8VM800M).

Also, if anybody knows anything about security camera DVR cards, I would love to hear from you. In theory, this system will be a recorder for several cameras.

Thanks in advance!
Why bash Linux that much, calling it too dumb or too frustrating? I doubt Windows pick up your sATA right away without installing drivers by pressing F6 during installation. Anyway, SATA worked right off the box with Ubuntu and SuSE in my machine, without installing additional drivers. Did you at least try to run the installation or just guessed that you need to install the drivers. Read this:

http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/SATA

Try to ask for help without bash the OS in question. You are practically spiting on the plate before you eat with it. And remember, the problem is always between the chair and the keyboard.

Last edited by Mega Man X; 06-12-2005 at 11:55 AM.
 
Old 06-12-2005, 11:52 AM   #3
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and since Linux is too dumb to recognize a SATA drive, I assume I need to hit F2 (options) to install a driver.
Don't EVER disrespect Linux without knowing it's potential.

At school, as I have mentioned on other forums, I had set-up three servers, all having 4 17GB drives with FC3 setup on each one. FC3 recognized the SATA drives perfectly fine. No trouble.

--Abid Kazmi
 
Old 06-12-2005, 01:42 PM   #4
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Thank you Megaman for your response. :~)

In response:

1) I already have a driver disk pre-packaged and all ready to go for Windows thanks to the manufacturer of my MB. Not true for Linux.
2) I am not using Ubuntu (never heard of this one), or SuSE.
3) Yes, I did start the install, which prompted me for the driver, which prompted me to write.
4) I've bashed DOS, Windows, Linux, OS9, and OSX ever since each one came out. They all have bugs, and no, the problem isn't always user error. 2 months ago, an F-22 Raptor fighter aircraft on take-off. Cause of problem: 100% flight control failure due to bad code. If they can't get it right on a 137 million-dollar aircraft, why should I expect my 600-dollar box to work every time? I also doubt that all of your Linux issues were caused by you.
5) Linux is frustrating to new people. It does not install programs as easily as Windows because of the various distros, you have to hunt for equivalent programs that are useful in Windows, and getting help usually takes several days because questions get answered with other questions.

I'm sorry if I came off the wrong way, but that's how I feel. I agree with the rest of the world that Windows sucks and that Linux is better, but working in Linux is not a walk in the park. I have checked out your links briefly and I do not find anything that helps me install this drive. Of course I will look into them deeper when my frustration level drops again to a managable level.

And thank you Securehack for your response! :~)

I do know the potential of Linux. That is why I'm even attemping to move to it.

I'm also glad that you had great success with your installs. But my problem still remains.
 
Old 06-12-2005, 05:03 PM   #5
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Okay. Anyways, we know your problem exists but you entered in the wrong way into this thread and made assumptions on linux too quick. Everything takes time and effort. There are literally hundreds of threads on LQ about "What do you think about linux", "Linux for the noobs", "Linux not friendly", etc. This is not the place to discuss it ALL OVER again.

Now for your problem, what is your drive model and what is the driver being loaded on?

--Abid Kazmi
 
Old 06-12-2005, 05:19 PM   #6
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The drive is a Hitachi (HDS722516VLSA80) Deskstar 7K250 160 GB 7200 RPM. The driver has been unzipped and the files are sitting on a seperate system running Windows. When I start the install of Fedora, it does not recognize hard drives installed and asks for a driver disk that may reside on hde or fd0. I will assume that hde is the CD/DVD device, and fd0 is the floppy drive.
 
Old 06-13-2005, 10:35 AM   #7
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and you've had no success putting the driver on a disk and using that?
 
Old 06-13-2005, 02:03 PM   #8
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When your system boots up, is the SATA drive detected? I had a friend that spent 3 days trying to install to a new SATA drive and couldn't set it to be detected. Turned out he hadn't plugged in the power cable to it, just the SATA cable.

So, make sure the board is actually seeing it during POST.
 
Old 06-13-2005, 05:17 PM   #9
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When I start the install of Fedora, it does not recognize hard drives installed and asks for a driver disk that may reside on hde or fd0.
So you're saying Fedora can't recognize the hdd but can POST or at BIOS?

--Abid Kazmi
 
Old 06-13-2005, 05:53 PM   #10
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sfxlover: FC3 natively supports the VIA VT8237 SATA controller. Your problem is not the SATA controller.
 
Old 06-13-2005, 06:49 PM   #11
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Yes, he mentioned that FC3 NEEDED the driver FOR the drive. It is software, but I just wanted to know if FC3 or POST recognized the drive.

--Abid Kazmi
 
Old 06-13-2005, 07:12 PM   #12
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sfxlover: The motherboards I have with VIA VT8237 SATA controllers all have jumpers that can be used to disable the SATA controller. It is possible that your jumper is set to “disabled”.

Also be sure (1) to look through the motherboard BIOS hard drive section and verify that the SATA drive appears in the bootable drives list and (2) to look through the controller BIOS to see if you need to configure the controller to make the drive visible. If you see the drive model number displayed during the controller POST period, then the drive is probably already configured in the controller BIOS.
 
Old 06-13-2005, 08:28 PM   #13
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Let's see...

My BIOS does not have an option to disable SATA, and I do not see a jumper related to SATA on this board.

The legacy power cable is plugged in.

The SATA drive does POST:
Serial_Ch0 Master: HDS722516VLSA80
Serial_Ch1 Master: No Device

Basically the system acts like 'that other OS' when you forget to hit F6. I get a HD POST, front panel light, etc., but I think Fedora may not updated with this particular MB. Just a guess.

So I let it go for a bit and acted on my guess. But first allow me to admit to a mistake: I mentioned earlier that I tried this install with Fedora Core 3, when in fact it was Fedora 1 or 2. I downloaded it awhile back and improperly labeled the disks. Anyway, I downloaded Fedora Core 3 and got it to recognize the SATA drive, but it just hung at the screen where it says that it is 'loading the SATA driver' or something to that effect. So abused my broadband connection again and downloaded Fedora Core 3 Test 4, 64-bit DVD. I ripped that in a hurry thanks to my new dual-layer drive, and Viola! It installed with no issues.

So my immediate issue is resolved, but I'm still curious on how to attack future driver issues. Is it common practice to simply copy downloaded files directly to a CD or floppy to be later read by Linux? Or are you supposed to follow some sort of 'make disk' procedure? Does it vary between distros?

Again, thank you Abid, Securehack, ArenaJAG, WhatHisName, and franzfranz for your time responding. Now for my next death defying feat - Installing a security camera input card and software on this Linux box. If you know of any good software similar or better than Media Center, your input is appreciated. I'll also post in a more appropriate section. Say...Linux Software
 
Old 06-13-2005, 08:40 PM   #14
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Glad to see everything worked out. So now we know (or atleast know), that FC1/2 doesn't support that driver. That's why their is the updated FC3 =P. And btw, I'm securehack and my real name is Abid; just wanted to clear that up. =D

And for your other question, I don't have a clue but someone on LQ should know about some software and their experience. And yes, you should start a new thread on:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...p?s=&forumid=4
Which is the security lq page. Good luck! =)

-=-EDIT-=-

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future driver issues. Is it common practice to simply copy downloaded files directly to a CD or floppy to be later read by Linux?
A lot of times it was the case but it is hardly the case "nowadays." Linux Os's are now more advanced and proficient at how they operate then when they did a decade ago. So most of the hardware out on the market and it's drivers, are supported by linux.

Check out the Hardware Compatibility List on LQ:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/index.php

--Abid Kazmi

Last edited by securehack; 06-13-2005 at 08:44 PM.
 
Old 06-13-2005, 09:03 PM   #15
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I'm sorry Securehack. My eyes got blurry going back and forth in the thread. Thanks for the additional info. :~)

Michael
 
  


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