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Old 11-29-2012, 11:41 AM   #1
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How to find DNS registrar that uses spamhaus etc. to stop outgoing spam?


This is vaguely linux related, because I'm using imap and fetchmail on what I use as my mail servers on linux. Can you advise me on where to ask this question if it is considered off topic?

I have email forwarded by a domain name hosting service. Their relay host keeps being put on a list at spamhaus. So, when people send me email, they get a message that looks like their email is rejected because I am a spammer.

For the last year, I get kicked off of mailing lists and miss important email that people try to send me. If I understand correctly, a registrar could make use of spamhaus or similar to find when spam is sent from the host that is my relay host, and stop relaying spam.

How can I find a domain name hosting service that can forward email for me from relay hosts that are not going to constantly end up on spam lists? I think DNSBL might be such a service that such a domain name hosting service could use.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 07:29 AM   #2
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For the last year, I get kicked off of mailing lists and miss important email that people try to send me.
Try a gmail address.
Sign up at hushmail.com (excellent allow|deny rules)

I have 2 main email addresses. One I only use for work and has little or no filtering.

jj@hush.ai I can give out all over the web and I'll NEVER see the repercussions of it, unlike other mail services.

If you aren't on my whitelist, I'll never see it. I only see the mail I wish to see, so my rule is block all, allow some. I have never had any issue with hushmail.com

JJ
 
Old 11-30-2012, 07:51 AM   #3
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Try a gmail address.
Sign up at hushmail.com (excellent allow|deny rules)
Thank you. I use hushmail and I have a gmail account. I have a need for a specific address by which I am known. So, I want to figure out how to solve the problem I've asked about.

There seems to be no way to contact spamhaus for advice.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 08:06 AM   #4
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...I have a need for a specific address by which I am known. ...
forward that email address mail to gmail?

I could tell you more and/or possibly offer more alternatives, or even a solution if I knew the IP of the relay.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 08:25 AM   #5
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forward that email address mail to gmail?
The forwarding part is where the problem is. Similar to this:

Sender's email client (person) -> their mail server (person's server) -> the mail server that forwards my email (relay) -> my ISP (ISP) -> fetchmail -> IMAP -> my email client (queshaw)

Spamhaus has "relay" on their spam list. "Person's server" consults spamhaus and says, hey "relay" is a spammer.

So, forwarding somewhere else wouldn't make a difference. Also the specific IP address of the relay is not significant because it is periodically on the spam list, but probably not now. Someone goes and delists it. Then eventually it gets back onto the spam list, because the domain name registrar does nothing to prevent spam from being relayed through it's servers.

I am wanting a different IP address (one which doesn't repeatedly appear on a spam list). How to find a place to give me that is what I am wondering.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 08:50 AM   #6
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Sender's email client (person) -> their mail server (person's server) -> the mail server that forwards my email (relay) -> my ISP (ISP) -> fetchmail -> IMAP -> my email client (queshaw)
Well, that makes more sense.

Sender sends.
Sender's mail server does NOT use RBLs or excludes its authenticated clients from RBLs
Relay uses RBLs,
Denied.


Sender sends.
Sender's mail server does NOT use RBLs.
Relay does not use RBLs.
queshaw is likely to.
Denied.



Without the full headers from the sender's bounced email address, this may be difficult.

Why do you insist the "domain name registrar" process is involved with RBLs?

abuse@relay.ip may be able to offer a solution.

Good Luck.

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Old 11-30-2012, 09:22 AM   #7
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Why do you insist the "domain name registrar" process is involved with RBLs?
Involved with, in the sense that their server that forwards my email is something like black listed.

The email that you get back when it is denied says "blah" is a known spammer, where blah is a name that resolves to the ip address of the server that the domain name registrar associates with my domain.

dig mx example.com

shows the IP address of their relay.

So, elsewhere someone is suggesting finding a mail server to point the mx records to that does not belong to the domain name registrar. I think that might makes sense. Then the question is how to find the mail server. And, it's a little annoying to pay for a third service involved in me getting email.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 09:53 AM   #8
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...And, it's a little annoying to pay for a third service involved in me getting email.
Annoying is what you have now. I'd pay to resolve this issue, if it were me.
$5/mo per user
$50/year per user
seems reasonable.

Paid-for services are likely to be less problematic.

How do I set up my MX records to properly forward mail to my Gmail account?
suggests pointing your MX records to gmail and doing so would remove the relay.
HTH.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 12:24 PM   #9
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The idea of paying a third service to forward my email, might be my only choice. That is useful advice. So, essentially the answer to how to find a place to relay my email that doesn't keep getting itself on spam lists is, make sure that the place is google. I wish I knew how to find such a service, that isn't google though.

Because I see email getting blocked based on information at spamhaus, I think that is common, so I was thinking that I should find a place that uses spamhaus to stop spam that they forward. That would make sure that their server is not on the list at spamhaus. But, maybe spamhaus is not the most common place where blocking lists come from. I'm sure google does a good job of stopping spam.
 
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First of all if you pay for domain name hosting then if that service includes use of their mail servers then it would seem logical to contact them to have them clean up their act (if you can prove it and it they actually provide any level of service). Secondly, as far as I know how mail transport and verification commonly works, it seems kind of odd that others would get blocked or get email returned due to a receiving mail server being blacklisted, but like Habitual said, without full headers that's as much as one can say.

BTW I've moved this thread to Linux Newbie as that's the more appropriate forum.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 03:16 PM   #11
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The sending server does NO rbl checks on a recipient server.
The problem here is that your ISP is checking and rejecting incoming mail from your spam-friendly relay (as a responsible 'end user' service should).
If you wont or cant run your own smtp server, then get another relay or simply point your MX record at googlemail and set your gmail account to accept your desired address, as already suggested.
Maybe your ISP could handle your domain mail directly as well. Might be worth asking them first.

Last edited by descendant_command; 11-30-2012 at 03:19 PM.
 
Old 11-30-2012, 06:11 PM   #12
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Thank you. This thread was actually very useful. My ISP has an MX only option and they use the spamhaus lists, so probably their server won't end up on the list at spamhaus, at least.
 
  


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