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Old 08-30-2011, 01:04 PM   #31
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I think I did it!! It said it was successful - but I am unsure and would hate to
have to depend on it.

I did have to tweak your excellent instructions slightly though. I had to drag the files to the Brasero window as the + had 'greyed' out. One of the items to
the left of the files was "file system' (I did not drag that one - but what
would have happened?

A somewhat related question - I have a live Linux 'System Rescue CD 1.5.8' -
what exactly is it and where would I find out how to use it?

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I, too live in the hurricane Irene's path (Va,) and got a lot of rain and wind
- but - it could have been far worse.

Many thanks for your continued patience and help.
 
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Old 08-30-2011, 04:04 PM   #32
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The filesystem is basicly all of your files, starting from the root (/) directory. that would have burned basicly your entire hard drive. On a side note, how bad was irene for you? I'm in New York and it was basicly just lots of rain.
 
Old 08-30-2011, 04:12 PM   #33
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The + grayed out? That is really strange - but I have seen stranger things. Next time you fire up Brasero see if Edit; Add files (from the menu at the top) will work. Basically + or Edit; Add files will bring up something which looks like the Linux file browser. I just tried and you can drag files from the "Select files" window to the project.

And now an interesting aside... I just looked up Brasero on the web. The project web site has some nice screen pictures of Brasero in action. They look nothing like what we are seeing! The web site shows everything in one window. The project at the left and the available files on the right. Navigate to the files you wish to burn on the right side of the window and pop them over to the project. Simple! I am not sure if the pictures represent a new version of Brasero or and older version. They do not represent what is included with Ubuntu I guess that is why I like k3b. The available files are shown on the top half of the window and the project is on the bottom. Let me know if you would like to give k3b a try. It is easy to install.

As to your other questions... "file system" refers to the WHOLE hard drive (or drives if the PC has more than one). With your machine being newly configured and not having a lot of data it MIGHT fit on a single DVD. However, it would probably not work very well. If you try to burn everything you will catch files which are in the process of being changed while the burn is in process. The old moving target thing.

A "System Rescue CD" is a copy of Linux which will boot from the CD. The CD from which you installed Ubuntu, called a "Live CD" is the same sort of thing. The live CD allows you to try Ubuntu without having to install it on your PC. Many varieties of Linux, called Distros, now are available as live CDs or live DVDs. A few years ago before that was common the System Rescue CD allowed a broken system to be booted from the CD when it could not be booted from the hard drive.

The Rescue CD was an administrator's sort of tool. By booting the machine from the CD the administrator could:

copy/recover data files from the hard drive - provided the hard drive was not physically broken or erased
inspect the configuration files on the hard drive in an attempt to diagnose problems with the system
put back or change missing or damaged system related files in order to fix the system

You can do all of these things with the Ubuntu Live CD. As far as how to learn to do these things... The times when I have needed to use a rescue or live CD to fix something - sometimes I knew what I wanted to do such as snagging some files. Other times I have found instructions on the web for solving a particular problem (which I have usually created for myself

Keep your spirits up. Linux will become more familiar and will serve you well.

Ken
 
Old 08-30-2011, 05:40 PM   #34
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Interesting how using a GUI has simplified things. But using something complex like a commandline tool or a simple script could have been conveyed consisely and unambiguously in a single message whihc could be copied and pasted in a few seconds. Just an observation.

--- rod.
 
Old 08-30-2011, 06:48 PM   #35
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Interesting how using a GUI has simplified things. But using something complex like a command line tool or a simple script could have been conveyed concisely and unambiguously in a single message which could be copied and pasted in a few seconds.
Yes rod, I agree. But then it would have been posted to Usenet - before all the uneducated, unwashed millions clogged up the Internet with their web browsers. At least that is what my sister used to say when she worked at Bell Labs

And yes, breaking up the data into CD or DVD size chunks can be a challenge. Keeping a mirror copy with rsync or even the old mirrordir is handy. I like to keep 7 rolling backups of some critical files. I do that with a script each evening.

Ken

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Old 08-30-2011, 07:29 PM   #36
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I think I'm better off sticking with Brasero for the time being - unless you
think k3b would be easier for me. Again thank you for your patience and help.
 
Old 08-31-2011, 09:50 AM   #37
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As the old saying goes Read The Full Question so I went back and looked at your original question and decided to have a look at what might be available as far as backup programs for Linux. I have probably done this in the past and as I did not find anything to my liking I simply did my own thing. Here are my findings and opinions on the current state of things...

- Most Linux backup software is industrial strength - good for backing up web, database and other servers - overkill for the home PC user
- The easier to use software is commercial (read $$$)
- Much of the software is somewhat geeky - OK for system admins but a steep learning curve for he novice user

However, I did find a program which might be what you are looking for. It is called FlyBack and is located herehttp://www.flyback-project.org/. Click on the Installation Instructions (Linux) link and download the flyback-lucid_0.6.5-1_all.deb file. This is intended for Ubuntu 10.04 but it seems to install and work OK on 11.04.

Here are a few things to be aware of...

You need some sort of storage device to backup to. I used an 8 GB flash drive for my testing. That will get you started but it is slow and will fill up before too long if you collect a lot of data on your PC. A USB connected external hard drive would be great with this program. Or a second internal hard drive. These are cheap these days and easy to install. Really!

The user interface on the program is simple but takes a little getting used to. For example, once you have a backup going you will need to left click on the bottom of the window to cause the progress to display. The newest backup is shown at the top of the list of backups. I can get used to these.

The program is SLOW when using a flash drive. Be patient when you click something such as Explore (to look at what is in a backup archive - takes a few seconds to come up).

The backup directories stored on the flash drive are hidden. That is the name starts with a period. Remember that when you have no room left on the flash drive an yet there are no files on it.

If you wish to give this program a try...

- download the Lucid file shown above
- right click on the file and "open with package installer" or software center
- choose to install and you will be prompted for you password - that is about it.

Insert your flash drive.
Fire up the program.
Double click on the + to create a new backup (strange but that is what is says to do)
By default it points to your home directory - that is OK
Select the flash drive on the lower half of the window as the place to backup to
Click New and on the next screen Backup
If the status (actually elapsed time) does not display at the bottom, click the bottom left of the window)
It will do its thing and when done a backup will be listed under history

If you give this a try and it seems to work please let me know. I will provide you with a short test plan to allow you to exercise the program to retrieve an older copy of a file and recover a deleted file.

Ken
 
Old 08-31-2011, 06:38 PM   #38
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Thank you for all of your research on my behalf. i will look into your suggestions. What do you think of the "Simple Backup" utility?
 
Old 08-31-2011, 07:39 PM   #39
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However, if you wish I would be glad to work with you step by step on performing a backup and restore of YOUR system. If we carry out the discussion on this forum perhaps it will be of help to others and will no doubt benefit from some additional kibitzing and advise.
I am reading this thread and trying to do a /home/user backup and recorery procedure using local system to storage.


It is my df -h and fdisk -l outputs:

root@maq5:~# df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/root 20G 7.4G 12G 40% /
/dev/sda6 127G 32G 89G 27% /home
tmpfs 498M 88K 498M 1% /dev/shm
root@maq5:~# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders, total 312581808 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x74660384

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 2048 41945087 20971520 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 41945088 312581807 135318360 5 Extended
/dev/sda5 41947136 42995711 524288 82 Linux swap
/dev/sda6 42997760 312581807 134792024 83 Linux


I used a root privilegies local system/home/userbkp to tar or rsync arquives. It only worked when I had a small /home. Commands used were tar -cpPf or rsync -azv. In case of trying /home with games or virtualbox it brokedown. I didn't overwriter /home because I used rm -rf /home/user too.

Is /home/userbkp a wrong local to storage it? Games and Virtualbox demand a special backup procedure?


What can I do to solve it?
 
Old 08-31-2011, 07:49 PM   #40
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I need to take some time one day and see what all is included with Ubuntu. I was considering using a distro of Linux called CentOS which is a publicly compiled and supported version of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. I was having video card problems with this PC since I got it and CentOS seemed to be more stable. So I was testing all the programs which I use on Ubuntu to see if they work on CentOS. I was down to just a couple which did not work. One of them was a neat little screen capture utility called Shutter. It would NOT work on CentOS. After discussing it on the CentOS forums and trying to recompile it for CentOS etc. it was pointed out to me that there is a built in screen capture utility which has the same feature which I was looking for in Shutter

As to Simple Backup... It looks a lot more feature rich than Flyback. And it has some documentation! I have been playing with Flyback today and I have found that when I try to backup a LOT of data it takes a LOOOOOOOONG time and it never tells me it is finished. I finally shut it down after the hard drives stopped spinning constantly and the backup directory ceased to grow in size. It then showed me the backup and I could restore files from it. I say give Simple Backup a try. I may experiment with it as well. Then all you need to do is add a second hard dirve to your PC My early machines always had two floppy drives and when I first got a hard drive it was not long before I got a second one. And those hard drives, storing a massive 42 MB each, cost the same as the list price for your E-machine! (for 1 drive that is)

Ken
 
Old 08-31-2011, 08:06 PM   #41
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Hi vivanguarda,

Would you please start a new thread with this question? This thread has gotten quite long and adding your question to someone else's thread is sometimes considered hijacking. I will be glad to work with you. Let me think about what you have written and I will look for your thread.

I use tar -cvpzf as part of my backup process. I will have to look at each of the options to refresh my self as to what each one does. I wrote my backup script a long time ago.

I have many VMWare virtual machines. The only caution I would have on backing up virtual machine files is to shut down the virtual machine before copying it. I normally copy my virtual machines manually with gnome-commander. I just grab a bunch of them and copy to my server. Then go for coffee. It takes a while to copy 100 or 150 GB even over a gigabit network.

Ken
 
Old 08-31-2011, 10:08 PM   #42
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Taylorkh, thanks for attention!

I 've been googling about backup scheme a lot and then found out your advice. By the way, I had aldready started another thread, but unfortunatelly it was dusty!

http://http://www.linuxquestions.org...-again-899667/

There is another app name, but the same approach! Would you mind continue there?
 
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:34 AM   #43
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Simple Backup seems like the way to go! It should do a good job of protecting your data. It could also help to recover system configuration although the restoration process would take a lot more thought than the backup process (I think - I have not worked through the implications).

A couple of things I would consider about changing in the default settings...

- Under Exclude; File types - I would backup multi-media files (mp3, avi etc.) provided you have space. Unless you have these backed up to CD or DVD (which is actually a better solution).
- Same goes for Max size. Include larger files in the backup at least until you burn a backup copy to CD or DVD.

Give it a try. Let me know when you get your second hard drive and we can put together a real backup strategy

Ken
 
Old 09-01-2011, 12:05 PM   #44
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Would your suggestion about changing the settings on the 'Simple Back-up' hold true if
the only multi-media I use is an occasional CD or DVD movie (from my own collection - not a download)?

Also, is an external hard drive really necessary, since according to the 'Disk Usage Analyzer', I have still have 285.6 GB available out of the total 291.5 GB. With the
possible exceptions of another game or two - I will not be downloading any large
programs.

Thank you again for your help and patience,
 
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If you only play CDs and DVDs by placing the media in the drive - there is nothing on the PC to backup. The only real advantages of having a second hard drive (or having one hard drive broken into more than one partition) are that you have a lot more backup flexibility and you can backup the operating system itself. A second hard drive gives you some place to have a copy of your data in the rare case that the original hard drive has a malfunction. They are quite reliable these days. But... they can fail. That is why you need to keep a copy of IMPORTANT data safe and sound on a second drive or on CD or DVD. If you burn your important data to CD or DVD on a reasonable schedule and use Simple Backup on a daily basis you will be far ahead of most PC users!

When the time comes to move to the next version of Ubuntu send me an email though the forum. Click on my name in the thread and it will bring up an option to send email. It is always best to do a clean install of the new version. At that time we can create a thread about how to partition the hard drive for ease of backup.

In the mean time continue to ask questions on the linuxquestions.org forums. I will try and keep an eye out for your username. If I don't answer something you post feel free to sent me an email pointing to the thread to get my attention.

Regards,

Ken
 
  


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