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Old 09-16-2008, 03:22 AM   #31
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[QUOTE=wstay;3281524]
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I.E. running on any version of linux is installed while on-line through internet.
But Wine is required for installing and running windows applications.
So is it right to say that I.E. is running not through Wine.
It runs not dependent on Wine.
I don't know what do you mean. IE is a Windows program and it depends on wine to run under Linux.



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The point is that, they are using jre (java) and we have to install jre.
That should be safe or not. That should be for security for their web-sites. Correct me if I am wrong.
Yes. In Java if there's a security flaw is must be either in the Java code (their side) or the jre itself (which would be a vulnerability in the engine).

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The conclusion is that, as a user of computer and internet,
the safest bet is how we protect ourselves through firewall, antivirus, malware, spyware,
and genarallly with the internet security softwares available. And security-wise, it is better
to log-in as a user and not as a root or administrator.
Yes. This is all true. However, there are technologies that are by nature much less secure than others (i.e. activeX). And since they don't add anything to the experience that can't be done with any other alternative, I can only advice not to use them.
 
Old 09-16-2008, 08:49 AM   #32
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I work with about 30+ Windows users and some of the users need to be set as Admin to be able to run software properly. I had this problem with this person that needed to print reports using a program and the system will just show a dumb error message (it never mentioned it was user rights issue) after trying different things and being on the phone with this software vendor I decided to change this user to be a super user (Admin in M$crosoft terms) and the issue was "fixed". The problem now it is that this person is now a Super User and I found out she installed a messenger program on her system even though that is prohibited here. Oh well I guess I just have to thank Mr. Gates and his programmers!
 
Old 09-16-2008, 08:57 AM   #33
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Why user hotmail? well I opened my Hotmail account in 1998 so I had it for a while so it is a little hard to change it! however I do have gmail and I think it is pretty cool!
 
Old 09-16-2008, 09:58 PM   #34
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I work with about 30+ Windows users and some of the users need to be set as Admin to be able to run software properly. I had this problem with this person that needed to print reports using a program and the system will just show a dumb error message (it never mentioned it was user rights issue) after trying different things and being on the phone with this software vendor I decided to change this user to be a super user (Admin in M$crosoft terms) and the issue was "fixed". The problem now it is that this person is now a Super User and I found out she installed a messenger program on her system even though that is prohibited here. Oh well I guess I just have to thank Mr. Gates and his programmers!
Read up on Microsoft's security-policies. "Power User" is just a policy group; you can define others. You can grant a program rights on a particular device/resource, such as a printer, without giving away the keys to the entire world. And, if you're responsible for "30+ Windows users," the time spent in this learning process will be time very well-spent.

Microsoft uses a policy-based computer management strategy that actually supports very fine-grained controls. Yes, there are plenty of apps out there that don't adequately test for errors and never get tested in limited-user environments before deployment. But that doesn't mean that you have an "all or nothing" choice.

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Old 09-17-2008, 12:20 AM   #35
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True. I've battled with companies such as UPS over their software requiring 'admin rights'. After fighting with them long enough they finally broke down the specific changes that needed to be made. Specific directories the user needed rights to. Specific registry keys the user would need to have write access to. Surprise Surprise the application then ran without me having to elevate the users overall system privileges.

I wouldn't accept that fortune 500 companies might use UPS for shipping and wouldn't have security policies in place that specified no admin rights for user workstations. I KNEW there was a workaround. The trick was getting the vendor to cough up the required information.

I have a hard time believing that Windows NT technology has been around this long and software companies STILL don't write their programs so they work properly with the minimal user rights necessary.

Intuit is another offender.
 
Old 09-17-2008, 01:21 AM   #36
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[QUOTE][QUOTE=i92guboj;3281724][QUOTE=wstay;3281524]
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Originally Posted by i92guboj View Post

I.E. running on any version of linux is installed while on-line through internet.
But Wine is required for installing and running windows applications.
So is it right to say that I.E. is running not through Wine.
It runs not dependent on Wine.

I don't know what do you mean. IE is a Windows program and it depends on wine to run under Linux.
I installed ie6 and ie7 using a terminal program, the Konsole while on-line.
And I can't see and don't feel that this windows application is installing
using wine in the background. That is why I thought I.E. is not dependent on Wine. Thanks for your information.
 
Old 09-17-2008, 08:29 AM   #37
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sundialsvcs, I tried configuring new security policies for this user to be able to use that program as a regular user, however after being on the phone with the Software company they didn't know how to be able to run their software on a restricted user (or maybe they just didn't want to spend the time to help me).
Thanks for the info, I will try to spend sometime going to M$crosoft's website and read more on security policies.
Thanks!
 
Old 09-18-2008, 12:32 AM   #38
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I installed ie6 and ie7 using a terminal program, the Konsole while on-line.
And I can't see and don't feel that this windows application is installing
using wine in the background. That is why I thought I.E. is not dependent on Wine. Thanks for your information.
You probably don't need wine to install it, not sure. There's an installer around called ies4linux or something like that. All you need is to put some files in the correct dirs, import some stuff into the registry and a few other things.

But you definitely need wine to run a windows program under linux. And, IE, is definitely a windows program. Linux can't run windows programs by itself.

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Old 09-18-2008, 11:24 PM   #39
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.......There's an installer around called ies4linux or something like that. All you need is to put some files in the correct dirs, import some stuff into the registry and a few other things.
I installted I.E. using: sudo apt-get install cabextract wine
wget http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/....5beta6.tar.gz
tar -xvzf ies4linux-2.5beta6.tar.gz
cd ies4linux-2.5beta6
./ies4linux --beta-install-ie7 --no-gui
while on-line when connected to the internet.
And everything installed by itself and I just have to wait for it to finish.
I didn't have to put some files in the correct dirs, import some stuff into the registry and do a few other things.
Everything installed by itself successfully without any error message.
What worries me is that putting some files in the correct dirs, importing some stuff into the registry and doing a few other things are done not manually and are done through the internet by some software which is a very vast and a very wide area of information network, could jeopardise our computer. I doubt it is possible if we install without connecting to the internet using the ies4linux or something like that and that could mean doing all the things you mentioned manually.
 
Old 09-19-2008, 05:20 AM   #40
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I installted I.E. using: sudo apt-get install cabextract wine
wget http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/....5beta6.tar.gz
tar -xvzf ies4linux-2.5beta6.tar.gz
cd ies4linux-2.5beta6
./ies4linux --beta-install-ie7 --no-gui
while on-line when connected to the internet.
And everything installed by itself and I just have to wait for it to finish.
I didn't have to put some files in the correct dirs, import some stuff into the registry and do a few other things.
Everything installed by itself successfully without any error message.
What worries me is that putting some files in the correct dirs, importing some stuff into the registry and doing a few other things are done not manually and are done through the internet by some software which is a very vast and a very wide area of information network, could jeopardise our computer. I doubt it is possible if we install without connecting to the internet using the ies4linux or something like that and that could mean doing all the things you mentioned manually.
ies4linux just download the redistributable installers for IE, unpack them using cabextract and install everything into it's correct place: files, reg keys, libs, etc etc etc.

You could very well download the IE installer yourself and run it under wine, if you want. Anyway, if you are really picky about security, ies4linux is a plain text bash script, fully readable for everyone. So, there's not obscure threat hidden there. It's as clear as open source can be.

Believe me: if there's a security problem it will be on IE itself, and not ies4linux, which is just a installer.
 
Old 09-19-2008, 08:46 AM   #41
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I think the biggest thing between to 2 is:

Windows is easy & unsecure out of box. Microsoft wanted any no-skilled person to install and run windows without problems. No configuring to get things to work. Well this made it unsecure to start, you had to secure it after getting it installed.

Linux is hard & secure out of box. Linux out of box requires configuring to make it more usable so its more secure out of box.

Both OS's are secure. Viruses, Malware, and Trojans aren't a problem on either OS if watch what you do. I haven't had a virus-scan on my windows machine for 10 years, never got a virus. I have sinced moved to Linux, but have heard that Vista was a poor excuse of trying to mimic's Linux's way of making it more secure out of box. Users complain now how it restrictive.

Other issues is Windows has a higher market share, so learning to crack it allows them to penetrate many more machines.

Linux is open source, with millions of eyes on codes, vulnerabilities get fixed fast and programs are monitored. If you download and install stupid crap, then you deserve the junk you get, this will be from Win or Lin.
 
Old 09-23-2008, 05:07 AM   #42
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ies4linux just download the redistributable installers for IE, unpack them using cabextract and install everything into it's correct place: files, reg keys, libs, etc etc etc.

You could very well download the IE installer yourself and run it under wine, if you want. Anyway, if you are really picky about security, ies4linux is a plain text bash script, fully readable for everyone. So, there's not obscure threat hidden there. It's as clear as open source can be.

Believe me: if there's a security problem it will be on IE itself, and not ies4linux, which is just a installer.

What about the License requirement for I.E.?
Using ies4linux to install, are we not still using the MS I.E. copy-right material.
Downloading a free copy of I.E. installer, I.E.6 (and/or I.E7 which require validation)
and install using wine on Linux os, would it also violate the MS license?
 
Old 09-23-2008, 06:36 AM   #43
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Windows security will never be rock solid, because it has an integrated backdoor for CIA to browse all data on your computer.
 
Old 09-23-2008, 08:33 AM   #44
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Windows security will never be rock solid, because it has an integrated backdoor for CIA to browse all data on your computer.
can you explain? where can I get more info about this?
 
Old 09-23-2008, 08:51 AM   #45
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I just did a Google search about the NSA back door, I can't believe it! I didn't know about that. I heard about SONY ROOTKITS but Microsoft allowing to add a secret backdoor on their software... no good! I'm really happy I switched to Linux!!!
 
  


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