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Old 11-02-2014, 01:34 PM   #1
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Question how do I uninstall an save 8.6 and install Linux on imax g3 333 meghz


I need to install Linux on my g3 but I need to be able to save my 8.6 op sys in a form that will allow me to reinstall it at a later date


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Old 11-02-2014, 01:59 PM   #2
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Is this a mac?
How large is the hdd?
In most cases you can install linux on a computer alongside another OS.
 
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Old 11-02-2014, 02:24 PM   #3
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if this is a antique apple PPC 8.6

you will need a linux version for a old IBM ppc cpu

and a 333 Mgz cpu ????
my 13 year old pentium4 is 1.9 Ghz

mac 8.6 is from 1999
i am betting it has only 256 meg of ram and a 20 gig drive

buy a new computer

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Old 11-02-2014, 02:44 PM   #4
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also the dd command can image a disk.
 
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Old 11-02-2014, 03:27 PM   #5
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and a 333 Mgz cpu ????
my 13 year old pentium4 is 1.9 Ghz
There were iMacs produced with 333Mhz G3 processors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3
Your 13 year old P4 is going to be a two to three years newer than the iMac in question. Also different architectures, can't directly compare clock speeds to x86. IIRC PowerPCs were more efficient at lower clock speed or something. They were certainly 'better' than x86 is lots of ways. So Apple said. Right up until they switched to Intel x86 processors.


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mac 8.6 is from 1999
i am betting it has only 256 meg of ram and a 20 gig drive
I'm fairly certain 256MB and 20GB is more than it shipped with.

I've put Debian PPC https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ on to a G3 iMac. I forget what CPU was in it but I think it was more than 333Mhz. I know it had far more RAM fitted than it shipped with.

As for keeping the Mac OS 8.6 install the methods that come to mind are, in order of preference:

- Have the CDs that came with the machine. They'll allow you to re-install Mac OS.

- Take the harddisk out and put in a different one to put the Linux install on. Note that there are limitations with that generation of iMac and harddisk sizes. E.g. https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0 Also it's a real sod to get the harddisks out of an G3 iMac.

- Boot the machine from a Linux Live CD, attach a USB drive at least as large as the harddisk and then use dd to copy the harddisk to the USB drive. I have no idea if that will produce a usable result with Mac OS 8.6.
 
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Old 11-02-2014, 03:32 PM   #6
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There were iMacs produced with 333Mhz G3 processors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3
Your 13 year old P4 is going to be a two to three years newer than the iMac in question. Also different architectures, can't directly compare clock speeds to x86. IIRC PowerPCs were more efficient at lower clock speed or something. They were certainly 'better' than x86 is lots of ways. So Apple said. Right up until they switched to Intel x86 processors.
The PPC architecture was a FAR superior architecture compared to the x86 clock for clock. The problem was, as the X86 was pushed by the rivalry between Intel and AMD, noone was pushing PPC faster and faster at a breakneck pace, and so despite it's advantages, it simply couldn't keep up with the pure brute force advantage of the speed of x86.
 
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Old 11-03-2014, 12:30 AM   #7
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Is this a mac?
How large is the hdd?
In most cases you can install linux on a computer alongside another OS.
the hdd is 4 gig I've never had a mac I picked up this one for $30 just for a play machine I've never tried Linux so I can maybe get a general feel for macs and Linux thank you for any help you can give me. I hope I can get my internet working with Linux I can't get netzero to load on the 8.6. thank you for getting back with me so fast.
 
Old 11-03-2014, 12:40 AM   #8
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if this is a antique apple PPC 8.6

you will need a linux version for a old IBM ppc cpu

and a 333 Mgz cpu ????
my 13 year old pentium4 is 1.9 Ghz

mac 8.6 is from 1999
i am betting it has only 256 meg of ram and a 20 gig drive

buy a new computer
the hdd is 4 gig.as far as I can tell it's showing 64meg ram.I've never had a mac I picked up this one for $30 just for a play machine I've never tried Linux so I can maybe get a general feel for macs and Linux thank you for any help you can give me. I hope I can get my internet working with Linux I can't get netzero to load on the 8.6. thank you for getting back with me so fast.my other computer is an acer win 7 machine
 
Old 11-03-2014, 12:46 AM   #9
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also the dd command can image a disk.
whats a dd command? I am the nubie without a clue. thank you I can use all the help I can get.
 
Old 11-03-2014, 12:48 AM   #10
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Start here:

http://linux.die.net/man/1/dd
 
Old 11-03-2014, 12:51 AM   #11
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the hdd is 4 gig.as far as I can tell it's showing 64meg ram.I've never had a mac I picked up this one for $30 just for a play machine I've never tried Linux so I can maybe get a general feel for macs and Linux thank you for any help you can give me. I hope I can get my internet working with Linux I can't get netzero to load on the 8.6.all I have available is dial up can't afford satellite thank you for getting back with me so fast.
 
Old 11-03-2014, 12:55 AM   #12
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i would normally say try DSL
BUT
Damn Small Linux nor Puppy support the IBM ppc CPU


"Slackintosh" might ???? NEVER USED IT so i have no idea about it

http://workaround.ch/

you might want to read
http://lowendmac.com/ed/packer/08jp/...x-ppc-mac.html

there is also a gentoo ppc
"install-powerpc-minimal-20140713.iso"
http://gentoo.arcticnetwork.ca/relea...c/current-iso/

YOUR BEST BET!!!
but a custom Debian install might

https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/

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Old 11-03-2014, 12:57 AM   #13
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The PPC architecture was a FAR superior architecture compared to the x86 clock for clock. The problem was, as the X86 was pushed by the rivalry between Intel and AMD, noone was pushing PPC faster and faster at a breakneck pace, and so despite it's advantages, it simply couldn't keep up with the pure brute force advantage of the speed of x86.
I almost heard the whoooosh of that as it flew over my head.i am totally a newbie without a clue.
 
Old 11-03-2014, 01:04 AM   #14
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i would normally say try DSL
BUT
Damn Small Linux nor Puppy support the IBM ppc CPU


"Slackintosh" might ???? NEVER USED IT so i have no idea about it

http://workaround.ch/

you might want to read
http://lowendmac.com/ed/packer/08jp/...x-ppc-mac.html

there is also a gentoo ppc
"install-powerpc-minimal-20140713.iso"
http://gentoo.arcticnetwork.ca/relea...c/current-iso/

YOUR BEST BET!!!
but a custom Debian install might

https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/
thank you i'll try it out. I would like to expand the ram and speed it up but I don't think me or the mac would survive.i know that would be kinder to the mac but I still want to play.
 
Old 11-03-2014, 01:11 AM   #15
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I know I,m wasting my time but I'm a 62 year old with a yen to learn and a disability "mental of course"so I have a little time to try to learn something computery.i have no mercy on my mac
 
  


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