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jonnynitro138 06-21-2012 05:43 PM

how do I install Ubuntu 12.04 64
 
I have some more ram installed on my PC and I would like to utilize it to its fullest potential, but at the moment I am using Ubuntu 12.04 32.
Yesterday when I tried to install the 64 byte the screen went black after the typical pink loading screen and stayed that way with the cursor blinking in the upper left hand of the screen. I could not type anything or access the terminal, control/alt./F2 did not work. So I took out the disc, shutdown by main switch, restarted to check my system, it was fine. ]
Thank you
Jonnynitro138

whysoserious 06-21-2012 06:14 PM

It's 64 bit. (Wow imagine 64byte lol) . That's never happened to me. Maybe there is a problem with the actual disc? So as soon as you not with it, it goes pink?

kindofabuzz 06-22-2012 04:28 AM

I think Ubuntu 12.04 installer has bugs depending on your hardware setup. I've heard several stories about the installer just not working.

abi0909 06-22-2012 04:52 AM

Try alternate CD or USB. Also verify the MD5 after you have burned rhe CD to make sure your image is flawless.

But, why did you want to reinstall to use the additional memory you added? The system will detect the memory by itself right??

jonnynitro138 06-23-2012 02:41 PM

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No the Ubuntu12.04 did not recognize the newly added hardware. Is there something I can do to change this without having to reinstall?
Thank you
Jonnynitro138

whysoserious 06-23-2012 03:12 PM

Ubuntu 32 bit will only recognise 3gigs of RAM. So if you installed more than that, you will have to use 64bit. My best guess is that there is a problem with the installation disc, redownload then check the md5. Another less likely problem is that your motherboard simply does not support that much ram. What is your memory configuration? 2x4gb or?

jonnynitro138 06-25-2012 12:31 PM

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I'm using the msi military class 2 ps7a-c43[b3] motherboard. Memory support: 4 ddr3 dimms support ddr3 2133*(oc)/ 1600*(oc)/ 1333/ 1066 dram (16gb max); supports dual-channel mode. I've also just recently tried to install linuxmint 13 64bit and 32bit, with the same results - a black screen with a blinking cursor in the upper left hand of the screen. The same with fedora and knoppix. It seems that I can not get past the boot screen and into the desktop.
Thank you
Jonnynitro138

cascade9 06-25-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jonnynitro138 (Post 4711493)
I'm using the msi military class 2 ps7a-c43[b3] motherboard.

P67A-C43. 'Military class', that always gives me a laugh.

Are you getting to the liveCD bootscreen at all?

guyonearth 06-25-2012 01:43 PM

This is probably a hardware issue. You don't need to install 64-bit just to use more memory, just install the PAE kernel, and you'll be able to use all your memory. Just search for PAE in the software center.

jonnynitro138 06-25-2012 02:02 PM

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Cool, thank you. I will give it a try once the lightning stops.

TroN-0074 06-25-2012 04:15 PM

Hi Jonnynitro138.
I suspect the new video card you installed (MSI n460gtx nvidia card) doesnt have support by default in the kernel, and that is why your display just turn black after the boot screen.I am just guessing here but I would try to look in to that by disabling the video card and enabling the one onboard or the one you had when the system was working.

Another solution will be to install VirtualBox in Windows and set up a dinamic virtual hard drive, allow 1GB of RAM for the virtual machine and one of your computer cores for each time you run the machine. Then boot your virtual machine from a Linux ISO file and install it in the virtual hard drive.

That way you can run linux from Windows and you can have them both at the same time.

Just for testing you can also do an installation using the WUBI install too in Ubuntu. Just put the cd while you are in windows and the WUBI installer will pop, if you decided to unistall it you can do it by using the add and remove applications from the windows control panel.

Good luck to you.

guyonearth 06-25-2012 05:39 PM

Running Linux from within Windows is silly, one would only do that if you were testing a new distro or something along those lines. If one really can not install Linux and use it as a standalone system, I'd strongly suggest staying with Windows or whatever you are comfortable with.

whysoserious 06-25-2012 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guyonearth (Post 4711725)
Running Linux from within Windows is silly, one would only do that if you were testing a new distro or something along those lines. If one really can not install Linux and use it as a standalone system, I'd strongly suggest staying with Windows or whatever you are comfortable with.

Why don't you try and help solve the problem sir. This is a newbie area. So we are just trying to help eachother out, instead of dis-couraging users and telling them to go to windows.
I also think it is a hardware problem, as someone suggested you should try disabling the video card.

jonnynitro138 06-26-2012 12:00 AM

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Thank you.
How do I disable the video card without taking it out?
I did get ubuntu 10.04 to work but it's very old and kind of sucks on my system.
With virtualbox I can get some linux os to work but not all of them; such as, knoppix, fedora, ubuntu 12.04, and opensuse.
I also updated the 10.04 hoping that I would get the option to upgrade to 11.10 then to 12.04, but the option never presented itself.
Again thank you
Jonnynitro138

cascade9 06-26-2012 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TroN-0074 (Post 4711658)
I suspect the new video card you installed (MSI n460gtx nvidia card) doesnt have support by default in the kernel, and that is why your display just turn black after the boot screen.

GTX 460 shouldnt be a problem with newish distros.

The fact that you got 10.04 installed shows that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnynitro138 (Post 4711953)
How do I disable the video card without taking it out?

P67 chipsets dont have onboard video, so if you did disable/remove the video the end result would be no video output.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnynitro138 (Post 4711953)
I also updated the 10.04 hoping that I would get the option to upgrade to 11.10 then to 12.04, but the option never presented itself.

You cant upgrade from 10.04 straight to 11.10, you have to go 10.104-> 10.10-> 11.04-> 11.10. I'm pretty sure that updating to 10.10 is now impossible.

As for 10.04 to 12.04-

Quote:

According to Ubuntu Engineering Foundations team manager Steve Langasek:

Upgrades between LTS releases are not enabled by default until the first point release, 12.04.1, scheduled for July. It is recommended that most LTS users wait until then before upgrading to 12.04.

If you choose to upgrade before then, you can pass the -d option to the upgrade tool, running do-release-upgrade -d or update-manager -d, to upgrade from vanilla 10.04 to 12.04.
http://askubuntu.com/questions/12539...4-to-12-04-lts

whysoserious 06-26-2012 03:39 AM

Ahh. So no onboard graphics.
No way you can disable the video card then. Have you tried other forms of install, like using a USB to boot. Did you re download the ISO for u ubuntu, remember get the latest.

TroN-0074 06-26-2012 06:33 AM

You can upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04 but you have to go and modify the settings in synaptic and select to upgrade from long term support release to long term support release. Assuming you are doing this using the Gnome graphical interface, you can do that under synaptic package manager > settings > repositories > updates > release upgrade.

Once you have done that you have to hit the reload button on synaptic then open the upgrade manager under System>Administration>update manager. and you will see there the 12.04 LTS option.

You will probably have to leave the computer ON all night to complete the upgrade.

I suggested you to disable the dedicate video card assuming you had an onboard video card but if you replaced a video card on your system perhap put the old card back if available and see what happen?

Or did I misunderstood about you recently replaced a video card? was the old not working anymore?

Dont give up man this will be a good learning experience.

Good luck to you.

jonnynitro138 06-26-2012 09:54 AM

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I got it last night. I upgraded 10.04 to 10.10 then to 11.04. I like the 11.04 version so I may stay here. It was a weird installation and took a lot of time. I would like to be able to use linuxmint or opensuse, but I can not get them to install. I found out that the gtx kernel is not supported. I found this out when I upgraded to 10.10 and rebooted. I was told that the nvidia kernel was not supported and the system went into default low graphics desktop, until I upgraded to 11.04 then it was supported again. The weird thing is that the kernel isn't from dvd. And yes it did take all night to upgrade I played bubble shooter (a lame game that worked) until this morning.
Thank you
Jonnynitro138
My last video card still worked I just upgraded, then gave the card to someone that didn't have one and was just using the one board. Tigerdirect is cool, I like shopping there when I save up some cash. I think my system is good for about 5 years before I will upgrade it again, unless I find some cool 3d stuff, I would love to have a virtual key board and mouse that is in the air like some cool sci-fi animae or something.

guyonearth 06-26-2012 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whysoserious (Post 4711734)
Why don't you try and help solve the problem sir. This is a newbie area. So we are just trying to help eachother out, instead of dis-couraging users and telling them to go to windows.
I also think it is a hardware problem, as someone suggested you should try disabling the video card.

Encouraging someone to run Linux from within Windows is completely counterproductive, as it totally bypasses the whole process of learning how partitions are laid out, and how to properly multi-boot, that's why I don't recommend it, and I do consider that helpful. The guy's problem is not his video card, if he can install an older distribution, than the card IS supported. It's more likely he has a BIOS setting or drive configuration that's confusing the installer somehow.

jonnynitro138 06-26-2012 12:45 PM

TroN
 
I did it again I tried to install compiz with unity because I was used to kubuntu's desktop. I uninstalled it but I still have a problem with the desktop. All the windows no longer have the minimize, reduce size, or close buttons and they can not be move aorund the desktop once opened. I tried to use the terminal but it doesn't work either. I hope I just didn't jack up everthing I did these past few days :) do you have any suggestions on how to get my desktop to go back to default?
Thank you
Jonnynitro138

TroN-0074 06-26-2012 12:56 PM

The minimized buttons hide in unity. if you move your cursor over the left top corner of the windows you have active they will display but they will hide again.

You can install the KDE desktop manager again if that is your preference by looking for the kubuntu-desktop in the software center or by typing

Code:

sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
if you cant get a terminal from unity then just press Ctrl-Alt-F2 an log in. everything will be in text mode so type there the command to install Kubuntu once everything is done installing go back to the graphical mode by pressing Alt-F7

Log out and then log back in selecting KDE on the greeting windows where you choose your session.

Good luck to you.

EDDY1 06-26-2012 01:00 PM

With compiz all you had to do is go to compiz settings & select "Windows Decoration" & everything would've been back to normal.

jonnynitro138 06-26-2012 07:03 PM

Phew
 
Thanks all. It was a rough ride learning on hand like so, but a lot of fun. I finally got upgraded to 12.04 :) soooo loong it took. I think I need to learn how to use and manipulate kernels, and the bios. Any suggestions on where I can learn how to do this?
Thank you again
Jonnynitro138

cascade9 06-28-2012 05:51 AM

A (slightly old) guide to the BIOS here-

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/bios-a-z,1200.html

Warning! That guide will go though how to change things in the BIOS. Some changes (eg reducing RAM latency times) can lockup the system totally. Before you start changing stuff, get a copy of your motherboard manual and locate the 'Clear CMOS' switch or jumper. Clearing the CMOS will reset the BIOS to factory settings, and will stop lockups causes by a 'bad' change in the BIOS.

Huge 'what the heck is XXXX' list here-

http://www.techarp.com/freebog.aspx

jonnynitro138 06-30-2012 10:06 AM

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Thank you
:) when I received the motherboard I took it out of the package and gave it a good look over. On this particular model the reset button is external. I had a pc once a very long time ago (cough, cough) it was a tsr80 and until two years ago I hated the things (computers) because of it. My point is that over the years I watched how people fought with their pcs and how they had to do things to get them to work. One such instance a friend had to reset his chip by jumping his motherboard with a paperclip. I told myself I would never own a hunk of crap like that, but they have changed in the past 10 years and are very different, they're better. I am excited to see what comes out in the next decade or two.
Jonnynitro138


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