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Old 01-13-2004, 02:43 PM   #1
ingcarlosgil5
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Hi guys, Why?, why? is everything so hard to install in linux I miss windows


Hi guys, Why?, why? is everything so hard to install in linux, I know you are tired of people like me asking for help for simple questions, the thing is that am quite happy because I managed to set up a dual boot to include linux (mandrake) in my life, I have to tell that am very happy with the distro, I think it is completely configured now, including the internet connection and the network issue, but now facing my second challenge in this linux thing, it is very very difficult to install any simple software, now am trying to install a msn clone, but I can't believe that installing a simple program in linux were so hard, why if there's so much advance and evolution, there's no simple double click way for installing programs, c'mon guys if I have to dedicate hours and hours to be able to do this kind of simple things,then it sucks, because time is money. I think it is very very frustating. And yes, everybody says in this forum that you have to learn and think and stuff like that, but the truth is, there's a lot of people that yes, hate windows, and want to try linux, but they do not want to learn anything, they just want to use it, I compare this like taking my car with the mechanic, I don't want to learn How they fix it, am sure I could, but I just don't want to, I have other things to do. Ok, now of course that am going to try to learn to install stuff, but, this sucks. And yes, I still need help trying to install an msn clone, could you guys help me with the gui procedure (hate the console), Or any link, that can help?. Thanks.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 02:46 PM   #2
willand
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to install a msn clone :
- gaim
- amsn
- kopete
....
 
Old 01-13-2004, 02:50 PM   #3
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Linux is not windows. If it is not a standard available and tested mandrake package, it is not going to be a "point and click". If it is, then the respective package manager will make it install with equivalent ease.

You haven't considered how much time over the years it has taken you to really get "good" at windows.

When you first started learning windows you had to read the documentation, well--the same is true for Linux.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 03:23 PM   #4
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Quote:
Originally posted by Eqwatz
Linux is not windows.

<snip>

You haven't considered how much time over the years it has taken you to really get "good" at windows.

When you first started learning windows you had to read the documentation, well--the same is true for Linux.
Good reply.

As for the GUI install for an msn clone, I have no idea. I know there are ways to do it, but I haven't ever done it. I did a quick search on www.google.com/linux for mandrake gui program installer and found all kinds of goodies. One you might be particularly interested in is grpmi-9.1-15.1mdk or gurpmi-4.4-51mdk.

Hope this helps.

<EDIT>You may already have one installed with your distribution, but I have no idea--any Mandrake users out there know if one comes with the distro?

Last edited by Texicle; 01-13-2004 at 03:24 PM.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 03:24 PM   #5
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I think you should quit then... I just can't stand people who just want people's pity on them... If you really wanted to try you would ask how to install the msn clone you downloaded and can't install... but no... you need to see people feeling sorry for your "hard work" "trying" to do stuff.... but you didn't try at all... you say console is complicated... but I was just telling a friend of mine how easy it is to do everything on the CLI: to uncompress a tar.gz file GUI MODE: 1) Click on K (KDE) 2) Click On Utilities 3) Click on Ark 4) Click File 5) Click Open 6) Select file 7)Click OK 8) Click Actions 9)Click Extract 10)Select extraction place 11)Click OK
to uncompress file on the CLI: 1)open terminal 2) go the file's folder 3)type: tar -xzvf filename
you're done... but I'm sorry if you're lazy enough not wanting to make some associations about the commands and learn them... That's why you people when your windows get broken out of nothing you reinstall it or call tech support... when linux get something messed up by you, you say that linux is difficult and that it's to hard and you don't have time to learn... C'mon..
You may say linux is too complicated to install software... but if you have Mandrake, go to http://rpmfind.net and you'll get everything you need... If you want to learn something you can go this forum, click on search and look for something... Sometime ago I didn't know how to use my mouse middle button... I came here searched it found it and used it. I couldn't get my samba shares shared to windows... discovered that it was a permission problems... got to www.kde-apps.org just to take a look and found a plugin for KDE to use KDE and SAMBA as we use sharing properties in windows (right click)... you just have to search... things aren't that difficult... they just aren't stucked on your face. I'm sorry if I was too rude... anyway... :/
 
Old 01-13-2004, 04:26 PM   #6
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Download the latest version of Gaim - 0.75 - http://sourceforge.net/project/showf...ease_id=200082
Get the third from top - /gaim-0.75-0mdk9.2.i586.rpm
Once downloaded, simply click on it in a filemanager. It will ask for your root password, pop it in. It will probably then tell you it has a bad signature - install it anyway. That should sort you out.

I suggest ignoring posters who try to put you off. I remember how difficult I found the switch to 100% Linux use. It can be done, and with help, it can be done more easily and better. Don't give up, just carry on trying. Hose your setup every once in a while, learn how to reinstall it.....etc.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 04:35 PM   #7
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I agree with the original comment that Linux programs are frequently unnecessarily difficult to install. I say this as someone who uses Linux exclusively and has put in the hard time migrating from Windows. All the same, I would say that at least 40 percent of the programs I try to install don't actually work.

The real problem here isn't the programs, but the documentation. There's just not an ethos in the Linux community yet of developing comprehensive, easy-to-understand instructions for using applications. Just look at KDE which provides basic instructions for applications, but for anything more complicated, you have to wade through all kinds of materials aimed at computer programmers and network administrators to figure out what's going on.

I don't think the solution is to develop single click installers. I think the solution is to make it part of a programmer's responsibility to develop clear instructions on how to install and run a program. There needs to be more in the README file than ./configure/make/make install because all kinds of things can go wrong depending on the distribution and the user's knowledge level. Right now the expectation is that the user will figure it out or wade through all the posts in a forum to figure out what happened. That's just too time-consuming for average users.

That's my two cents anyway.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 04:37 PM   #8
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I use slackware linux. Personally i find it to be the distribution of choice. Why? its not bloated? its not complicated? Does not try to do thing auto-magically like redhat, which in turn makes other things more complicated. lastly it has one of the better installation systems. Yes slackware is a little more difficult to setup, but once you learn how, its actually very simple.

As for program installation, i usually just download the slackware packages. (.tgz) from various sites. www.linuxpackages.net being a good one.

To install simple:
'installpkg <packagename.tgz>'

and ur done.
If you want to view packages installed or remove:
'pkgtools'

can it get any easier?
I never get problems installing the package, sometimes a problem finding a lib to run the program i just installed. Usually i find the package for the lib and install that too.


Otherwise, source code.
Most likley the best way.

enjoy.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 05:10 PM   #9
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--G67

Plus, we can be proud when anyone calls us Slackers.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 05:37 PM   #10
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ingcarlosgil5

Mandrake comes with an excellent tool called Urpmi. It downloads and installs programs for you. First, you need to configure asource for your downloads. Go to the EasyUrpmi website. Answer all of the questions and you will be presented with a short script. Open a terminal and use su to become root, input each of the lines given to you by EasyUrpmi. Your sources are then set up.

Still as root and still in a console, type in
Code:
urpmi install <packagename>
So, for example, you could type in
Code:
urpmi install gaim
Gaim will then be downloaded and installed for you.

The beauty of this is that you don't even have to be exact on the program name - if you know a package starts with "moz", but don't know the rest of it, just type in
Code:
urpmi install moz
and the program will give you a list of all the programs it can find with "moz" in the name!

Uninstall is simply a matter of
Code:
urpmi uninstall <packagename>
Easy, eh? For more information type
Code:
man urpmi
into a terminal.

As far as manuals go, this has long been a complaint against Linux. But LQ and similar sites will give that help. If you are really bothered about the documentation, go to the project's home page. The creators are programmers and not manual writers. Most, if not all, projects would like help with things like documentation. It is a great way for a non-programmer to give something back to the whole Linux community.

As far as aMSN goes, unpack it (as per Frandalla's instructions) and then read 2 files - 1 called README and 1 called INSTALL. aMSN does have a great INSTALL file, it will tell you exactly how to install the program. You will need to have Tcl/TK installed, but you can do it with Urpmi.

Good luck.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 06:12 PM   #11
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Linux may be a little harder, but its gonna be very rewarding if you learn it.

You can't have speed, power, and efficiency and have automatic transmition at the same time. You have to learn manual first. Once you get used to it, you'll be surprised it's easier than you think.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 07:10 PM   #12
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I was just like ingcarlosgil5 when I started using Red Hat 8. I have now updated to Slackware. Linux is very rewarding, but it requires time and persistence. Installing software in Slack is a joke. One command and I am done. I use checkinstall to automatically turn .tar.gz files into Slackpacks (I like to be orderly...i guess). Mandrake is bloatware to me. I used it for about 2 months and I found it hard to decode the .conf files.
Most Windows users are like ingcarlosgil5 when they start out using Linux (even me). They think they are stepping into Windows, just not owned by M$.
But I also understand that Linux can be a disorderly system. I think that the LSB should be used more. It's good to have ALL .conf files in /etc and not scattered all over the place. For the most part they are in /etc,but there is always that one runaway program that likes to dump it's files in the wrong dir's.
Dont get me wrong , I love disto diversity in Linux. But programs should place files in the proper directories.
To my knowledge having files in the same place will ALL distros doesn't change there differences. Apache will run securely on Slack and RH but their files are in to different locations. I might be wrong though and if I am please post my errors.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 08:00 PM   #13
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You may already have one installed with your distribution, but I have no idea--any Mandrake users out there know if one comes with the distro?
Mandrake 9.2 comes with "Kpackage" that makes RPM files easy to install

Last edited by laceupboots; 01-13-2004 at 08:52 PM.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 08:39 PM   #14
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I learned if you ever want ANYTHING for linux, and think O thats a windows thing, it isn't on linux.. search for it on any search engine then you got the program and much more... there are many many more programs games etc for linux than there is for windows, if you neeed anything dont think it doesnt exist search for it
 
Old 01-13-2004, 08:58 PM   #15
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there would be no fun in linux at all if there were no challenge... linux is an OS for hackers, not 'hacker' like someone who destroy everything and bla bla bla but someone who really wants to now how everything works, someone who wants to hack all the filesystem to find out why people keep saying that linux is so good... tell me, what can you learn just by double clicking an icon? windows is an OS for non-brain people who just don't want to know or don't really care what is happening behind the 'screen'... this kind of user just want results, as easy as possible... I can't blame then... but, for hell's sake, if God (or satan, you choose) gave us intelligence, why not use it??? if you're looking for a windows solution to all your probloms you should wait for a new windows release and not look for a linux distribution...

whatever... mandrake is a good distribution for newbies but it makes us too much dependents... you should try out slackware someday
 
  


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