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Old 02-04-2006, 07:35 PM   #1
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Help partitioning Debian


I got the following partions.

20G Primary Windows XP
150G Logical
30G logical ( i use for cs:s and mapping )
30G logical ( nothing on it period)
34 FREE space

My bro knows a bit about linux but not a hole lot about partioning. So i need a swap area ( size as my ram)

So i have to make a partition size as my ram. make it logical? then switch to swap area on the options part.

Then i can switch it to boot flag? whats that I want to boot linux from the disk.

Do i have to make another partion Primary (my windows one is primary also) and put linux on that? What kind of fileing type should i make that ext2, ext3, ext ( lots of options) Then my bro says i need another one for space or something?

I dont get the boot flags.

"make sure it is at the beginning of the drive (unless you have another OS installed" do i just put it at the end but do it the same order as this http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=4

(I DO NOT WANT TO MESS UP MY OTHER PARTITIONS)

Thanks alot
playa the

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Old 02-04-2006, 07:53 PM   #2
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Partitions are a "personal" thing really. If you only have the one primary, then it doesn't really matter whether you make the others primary or logical.

Is it "proper" debian that you want to install ? or a derivative ? Because debian is a bit on the "purist" side and I'm thinking that you would have to do the partition scheme before you actually install (in anycase, I suspect that debian would use a default of a command line partitioning tool).

So, I'd suggest that maybe something like Ubuntu/Kubuntu (Kubuntu is debian based but with KDE instead of gnome like Ubuntu) or knoppix (which can be installed to the hard drive) or kanotix (a more polished version of knoppix thats designed to be installed to hard drive though also works as a live CD). It depends what you want.

Personally, I'd suggest 3 partitions - root (aka / ), swap and home. That way, if you don't like one distro, you can just install a different one over the top of the root file system (in the root partition). You don't touch the home partition at all, and then as long as you install the same software packages any icons etc in the home partition should "just work".

A different option for the partitioning thing is for you to google for "ranish partition manager". If I had your disc space, I'd delete the last (empty) logical one so you have 64 gigs free, then have say between 10 and 20 gigs for the root, a swap of no more than double the installed RAM (if you have lots, then you'll probably never use it anyway - I have 1.5 gigs as my system has 768 megs of installed RAM) and the rest as home. you can always make the 64 gigs bit extended and then have the 3 partitions all as logical. You should be able to do that with Ranish (or maybe something like Partition magic if you have a copy).

regards

John

p.s. Oh and if you haven't used linux before, then I certainly wouldn't suggest "proper" debian any way, I've tried it, and without a fair bit of "prior knowledge" it's a PITA - theres lots of distros that are more suited to the "uninitiated". If you partitioned into 3 like above, then when you're ready to try debian you can just install it then, but I'd say get some practice/experience with linux first - Mandriva/SuSE are quite newbie friendly and do a fair amount of the complicated stuff for you in the first instance.
 
Old 02-04-2006, 08:04 PM   #3
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This guide for partinioning type in front of this http osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=4 seems simple. I would like to know, because i have windows and other stuff on comp already. How would i set it up? do i have to do it backwords then the order in that guide cause i am not putting any partions at the front cause i have windos xp.

thanks bigron if i cant figure this out ill try Mandriva or SuSE
 
Old 02-06-2006, 05:37 PM   #4
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This guide for partinioning type in front of this http osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=4 seems simple. I would like to know, because i have windows and other stuff on comp already. How would i set it up? do i have to do it backwords then the order in that guide cause i am not putting any partions at the front cause i have windos xp.

thanks bigron if i cant figure this out ill try Mandriva or SuSE
No, having just had a read of the guide you mention. I'm not sure if I'd have been brave enough to try it when I'd first started, but I already had copies of SuSE and Mandrake (now Mandriva) available, but as I read it, it does seem reasonably straight forward. I didn't notice, but theres probably part of the instruction for Cfdisk that will list any partitions already on your system. So it just means that you have to make sure you get the naming and nomenclature right i.e. 1 hard drive, it will be refered to as hda, but if windows is on the first partiton, then that would be called hda1, and a second partition would be hda2 etc etc. A second hard drive might be hdb, though depending on how you have any removeable media drives (CD, CDRW, DVD etc etc) plugged in, it may want to do like my system did and hda is my hard drive (on which I have hda1, 2, 3, 4 which relate to /boot, /swap, root (or / ) and /home). It then wants to call my DVDRW hdb and the CDRW hdc because they're plugged into ide channels.

If you are coming from a windows background, it may really be easier to get mandriva or SuSE as they will do most of that kind of stuff in graphic mode which is (IMO) more understandable when you're starting - you can always get your head round the command line stuff later.

regards

John
 
Old 02-06-2006, 06:02 PM   #5
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I would go with BigJohn on the partitioning scheme of three partitions (in addition to windows). But I would add a fourth partition that is formatted as FAT32, which you can share files between linux and windows. Linux doesn't write to NTFS (the default file system for XP) and windows doesn't read or write (well without special programs anyway) any of the linux file systems. Both read and write to FAT32 well.

A good partitioning tool is qtparted which you can use from Knoppix Live CD. It has a nice gui like Partition Magic and also does a good job of NTFS resize if you need to shrink your windows partition (although if you have the space you say above, you can leave XP alone).

Now, I would go like this:

20G Primary Windows XP
150G Logical
30G logical ( i use for cs:s and mapping ) -- assume you want to keep this
30G logical FAT32 -- shared files between windows and linux
10G / -- root partition
23G /home
1 G /swap

And just because I started with Debian, I'll make my sales pitch to contradict BigJohn . Debian can be a bit of a chore to install, but you'll learn a lot and you'll only have to do it once. Once you get Debian set up, upgrades are seamless and you'll have the advantage of having the largest repository of software available. I started with it when I was an ultra and never looked back. Ubuntu is debian based and a lot of people like it.

I would encourage you to take the two quizzes in my signature. They'll help you pick a distro to start with.
 
  


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