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Old 01-15-2013, 01:23 PM   #1
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Exclamation Have I done the right thing in having Windows 7 removed and linux installed?


Probably not the question I should be asking on this site but my son who loves Linux has just removed Windows 7 from my laptop and installed Linux. I have no problems as yet, just a matter of getting used to it as I'm not a computer buff but I want some reassurance that I've done the right thing. I'm very nervous.
 
Old 01-15-2013, 01:26 PM   #2
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Welcome to the Linux world. There is nothing "wrong" with what you have done. I would set you up with dual boot so you could use both side by side and still have access to Windows if you needed it. The only things you may run into would be third party applications not able to be installed due to a lack of Linux support. However, the community is so strong now with support for WINE and the like which allow you to install windows apps in a Linux environment so that is not as big of a hurdle as it used to be.

There will be a bit of a learning curve but feel free to ask any questions you have here on the LQ site.
 
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:33 PM   #3
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Welcome to the world of Linux! I agree that there is nothing wrong with changing from Windows to Linux. As stated, there will be a bit of a learning curve but for what most people use a computer for (internet, email, documents) the learning curve will not be so steep. There is some great information on this site and some very knowledgeable people that are willing to help you fix a problem.

Again, welcome!
 
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:07 PM   #4
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Hopefully your son talked with you before doing this out of the blue. Linux is fine. If you are not a computer guru you probably won't notice much difference. The one thing that might be a problem, if your son does not function as your computer support, if you take your computer in to a shop for work - say, BestBuy's "Geek Squad" - they might look at you and say, "What the heck is this?" Linux doesn't normally break causing some need for you to take it in for repair. What I'm getting at is more if you decide to upgrade or add new hardware, and the store ways "We'll install it." Probably not, on a Linux computer though. But if your son is your computer support, I wouldn't worry about this at all. It is much easier to remotely install and maintain things on Linux than it will ever be on Windows (provided the person doing the remote maintenance knows Linux).

My 80+ year old parents are on Linux. They love it. For their purposes, it is just like Windows, except better. They still run Firefox to browse the web. They still run Thunderbird to get their email. They never knew more than just the basics of Microsoft Office, so switching to OpenOffice as the Linux replacement was transparent to them. Now they definitely prefer Linux. They can't give a reason other than, "It just works and doesn't get messed up all the time like Windows used to". Which is a plenty good reason to me.

What they enjoy about Linux is my ability to remotely support them (I did that under Windows too, but it's sooo much easier doing so with a Linux operating system). And the fact that Linux never crashes on them gets a big thumbs up too..
 
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Old 01-15-2013, 02:15 PM   #5
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Probably not the question I should be asking on this site but my son who loves Linux has just removed Windows 7 from my laptop and installed Linux. I have no problems as yet, just a matter of getting used to it as I'm not a computer buff but I want some reassurance that I've done the right thing. I'm very nervous.
That depends on what you use your computer for.

Many people use a computer as just a web browser. In that case, there is virtually zero Windows to Linux transition to get used to and not all that much to get used to in switching from Internet Explorer to some safer browser.

Linux is safer for internet browsing than Windows. Just about any other browser is safer than IE.

So if you use the computer mainly as a web browser, your son probably did the right thing.

Depending on what else you use your computer for, you might need continuing expert help. I hope your son will follow through and provide the help you need. You could learn to do all that yourself, but I suspect you aren't interested and shouldn't be forced to be interested.
 
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:15 PM   #6
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Smile Thanks for all the replies!! I feel much more happier now and reassured

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Hopefully your son talked with you before doing this out of the blue. Linux is fine. If you are not a computer guru you probably won't notice much difference. The one thing that might be a problem, if your son does not function as your computer support, if you take your computer in to a shop for work - say, BestBuy's "Geek Squad" - they might look at you and say, "What the heck is this?" Linux doesn't normally break causing some need for you to take it in for repair. What I'm getting at is more if you decide to upgrade or add new hardware, and the store ways "We'll install it." Probably not, on a Linux computer though. But if your son is your computer support, I wouldn't worry about this at all. It is much easier to remotely install and maintain things on Linux than it will ever be on Windows (provided the person doing the remote maintenance knows Linux).

My 80+ year old parents are on Linux. They love it. For their purposes, it is just like Windows, except better. They still run Firefox to browse the web. They still run Thunderbird to get their email. They never knew more than just the basics of Microsoft Office, so switching to OpenOffice as the Linux replacement was transparent to them. Now they definitely prefer Linux. They can't give a reason other than, "It just works and doesn't get messed up all the time like Windows used to". Which is a plenty good reason to me.

What they enjoy about Linux is my ability to remotely support them (I did that under Windows too, but it's sooo much easier doing so with a Linux operating system). And the fact that Linux never crashes on them gets a big thumbs up too..
Thankyou for your reply. My son just wore me down (as sons do - ha!) with his insistence that he change me to Linux and I gave in. He will support me though so I am not completely on my own and I feel so much happier now reading all the replies. As I said I haven't had a problem with it. It is only internet searching and emails I mostly do and I feel very reassured knowing that Linux is safer than Windows.I have already lost one computer through a nasty virus. I feel much more happy about it now. Thankyou.
 
Old 01-16-2013, 01:23 PM   #7
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I didn't notice you were from France before. So my comment on "Best Buy's Geek Squad" probably had you scratching your head in wonder. "Best Buy" is a chain of stores we have in the US that sell computers (and other stuff). And they have a technical support department that they call "The Geek Squad" that is composed of mostly younger people who's purpose is to fix your computers. Even driving out to your house to do it (if you're willing to pay enough money for that). The Geek Squad is pretty much Windows only, or at least it was. But maybe that has changed over time. They are useful for people who don't know hardly anything about computers and have lots of money to spend paying someone to do simple things on their computers for them.

Anyway, you probably don't have this "Best Buy" store chain in France, so I thoght I'd explain...
 
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:37 PM   #8
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I didn't notice you were from France before. So my comment on "Best Buy's Geek Squad" probably had you scratching your head in wonder. "Best Buy" is a chain of stores we have in the US that sell computers (and other stuff). And they have a technical support department that they call "The Geek Squad" that is composed of mostly younger people who's purpose is to fix your computers. Even driving out to your house to do it (if you're willing to pay enough money for that). The Geek Squad is pretty much Windows only, or at least it was. But maybe that has changed over time. They are useful for people who don't know hardly anything about computers and have lots of money to spend paying someone to do simple things on their computers for them.

Anyway, you probably don't have this "Best Buy" store chain in France, so I thoght I'd explain...
Thats Ok. I thought it was probably something like that. We have similar here in France and UK. I don't suppose you know much about recovering data from an external hard drive do you? Everything from Windows was put on an external hard drive (Seagate). When I tried to put it on to Linux it said it was corrupted. I'm sure if I took it to one of those "geeks" they could recover it but would charge me the earth!
 
Old 01-16-2013, 01:43 PM   #9
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I don't suppose you know much about recovering data from an external hard drive do you? Everything from Windows was put on an external hard drive (Seagate). When I tried to put it on to Linux it said it was corrupted. I'm sure if I took it to one of those "geeks" they could recover it but would charge me the earth!
I would suggest posting a new thread about this problem, with the commands you tried and the output you were presented with. Usually restoring data from an external hard drive is very simple, but if it truly has been corrupted then things could get more complicated. Most people here have a lot of experience with this.
 
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:16 PM   #10
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Welcome to Linux! Another small thing to be concerned about is if you happen to find some form of program that is only for Windows; such as Microsoft Office. As someone already wrote WINE, which is a Windows emulator provides a place for Windows only programs to run from your Linux environment. Just be aware of this if you happen to consider buying any software for your computer. And of course, consult with your local expert, your son. The experiences I've had with WINE also are that things run slowly through it and have odd delays; however that could've been a local phenomena on the particular system we were using at the time.

Another thing that I run into are minor differences when reading, modifying, and sharing files in MS Office format with users who use Windows. A lot of the formatting gets performed differently between my version of OpenOffice and real Office. Just a heads up in case you end up receiving documents from people, editing them, and then sending them back. If they are pure Microsoft, there may be format changes from what they're used to seeing. Oddly enough, if I create a file totally in OpenOffice, it seems fine, but once someone else uses real Office to alter it, then I see problems. As a result I do all my programming in Linux and all my documentation in Windows.
 
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:25 PM   #11
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Linux is great, However if you are planning on buy another appliance let say another electronic gadget such as a printer or a MP3 player or a tablet computer take the time to search before buying that it will work with your computer. Some printer wont provide support for linux but some other brands they do just fine. Same with other electronics like phones and tables.
If you buy Android devices probably will work just fine.

Good luck to you and hope you enjoy your experience with Linux
 
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:47 PM   #12
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I think leaving win7 and installing linux in parallel (multiboot) would be better.
win7 is widely used and you will perhaps miss few games running only on windows.
except gaming, I dont see a real reason to keep a win7 on a PC.
 
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:00 PM   #13
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I would suggest posting a new thread about this problem, with the commands you tried and the output you were presented with. Usually restoring data from an external hard drive is very simple, but if it truly has been corrupted then things could get more complicated. Most people here have a lot of experience with this.
Creating a new thread is a good idea. Also, because your son has been volunteering his expertise in maintaining your systems, perhaps he has some data recovery software experience. There are several freeware options that you can get for Windows and a lot of options for Linux. I accidentally erased a thumbstick using Windows once, just erased and emptied trash, so I downloaded a few freeware options and basically they all got me a high percentage of my data back, one or two were slightly better than others and the reality was that some of the erased stuff that was partially recoverable really was stuff intentionally erased before my recent accident.

The other thought I have here is whether or not this drive shows as corrupted when attached to a Windows system. The first question a debugger would ask would be whether it was already seen as corrupt before your switchover, or if it is only now showing as corrupt since you've changed to Linux.
 
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:51 PM   #14
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When I tried to put it on to Linux it said it was corrupted. I'm sure if I took it to one of those "geeks" they could recover it but would charge me the earth!
If you restart that question as a new thread, I hope a moderator moves my reply, but meanwhile:

The problem you describe normally occurs if the drive was disconnected while in use, rather than requesting the OS's safe remove USB device action.

If you have any friends with Windows systems, the easiest solution is to connect it to a Windows system (which will check the directory structure because Windows sees it wasn't removed correctly on last use), then select the safe remove option before disconnecting it. Then Linux will be OK when you bring it back to the Linux system.

But if you have no Windows system available, there is also a force mount command you can use in Linux to be able to read any files you like from the drive even though it was not properly dismounted (safe remove) from the last system that used it.

I don't recall the syntax of that mount command, but your son ought to know it.

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Old 01-17-2013, 04:10 AM   #15
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Smile Hard drive corrupted before changing to Linux?

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Creating a new thread is a good idea. Also, because your son has been volunteering his expertise in maintaining your systems, perhaps he has some data recovery software experience. There are several freeware options that you can get for Windows and a lot of options for Linux. I accidentally erased a thumbstick using Windows once, just erased and emptied trash, so I downloaded a few freeware options and basically they all got me a high percentage of my data back, one or two were slightly better than others and the reality was that some of the erased stuff that was partially recoverable really was stuff intentionally erased before my recent accident.

The other thought I have here is whether or not this drive shows as corrupted when attached to a Windows system. The first question a debugger would ask would be whether it was already seen as corrupt before your switchover, or if it is only now showing as corrupt since you've changed to Linux.
I had that thought too so I went to a friends yesterday who is very experienced with computers and has Windows and it didn't work on hers also, she seemed to think it was the external hard drive that had gone. The last time I tried to move data over to the External Hard drive when I had Windows it seemed to take for ever to connect so I gave up. So maybe it had corrupted before I went to Linux. My son has tried to recover data and we are in the process of finding some software that we can try to retrieve all the data, he has found some photos but not many. I don't know how he did that.
 
  


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