LinuxQuestions.org
Share your knowledge at the LQ Wiki.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Newbie
User Name
Password
Linux - Newbie This Linux forum is for members that are new to Linux.
Just starting out and have a question? If it is not in the man pages or the how-to's this is the place!

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 12-08-2010, 12:39 AM   #1
sinvikram
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2009
Posts: 28
Blog Entries: 2

Rep: Reputation: 0
hardware compatiblity or some other problem,.,


hi friends
recently i downloaded the mandriva live cd "" mandriva-linux-one-2010-spring-GNOME-europe-americas-cdrom-i586"" to migrate from ubuntu to mandriva.but dont know why i am not able to install it in my system. my hardware architecture is i686 as i come to know by running the following commmand
mandriva-linux-one-2010-spring-GNOME-europe-americas-cdrom-i586

vik@UB910:~$ uname -m
i686

vik@UB910:~$ uname -a
Linux UB910 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux

vik@UB910:~$ grep flags /proc/cpuinfo
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up

vik@UB910:~$ grep flags /proc/cpuinfo
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up

vik@UB910:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
cpu family : 6
model : 8
model name : AMD Duron(tm) p
stepping : 1
cpu MHz : 1608.119
cache size : 64 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow up
bogomips : 3216.23
clflush size : 32
power management: ts

when i tried to instal it from a live cd it did started the process but stopped at the very frst screen itself ,didnt even reached the accepting licence screen ...then i thought something might be wrong with the cd so i made a live usb using the unetbootin,but again i encountered the same problem......guys please help me in this case.i am just a beginner and dont know much details ..help [/code]
 
Old 12-08-2010, 03:10 AM   #2
GlennsPref
Senior Member
 
Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 3,366
Blog Entries: 33

Rep: Reputation: 216Reputation: 216Reputation: 216
Hi, a couple of commands you can try, Although I have not tried to install from a live disk.

When the boot screen/menu from the live disk comes up, hit the space bar and enter these commands.

This is called the kernel command line where you may add command switches.

like, the harddrive irq and sometimes the sata module. (I've seen this a lot, even with the install Free DVD's)

noapic (may also be typed pci=noapic) It won't hurt to try, and won't take too long before you know if it works or not.

Once the system is installed you should NOT have the same problem at boot time.

ref, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions

These option are GNU/Linux Kernel options and should work for any/most distributions.

If the live disk works well for you on your system without installing, then your hardware is fine.
It's the Mandriva installer program that makes the wrong guess and locks-up the system.

Hope this helps, Regards Glenn

Last edited by GlennsPref; 12-08-2010 at 03:15 AM. Reason: gramma
 
Old 12-08-2010, 06:15 AM   #3
sinvikram
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2009
Posts: 28
Blog Entries: 2

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennsPref View Post
Hi, a couple of commands you can try, Although I have not tried to install from a live disk.

When the boot screen/menu from the live disk comes up, hit the space bar and enter these commands.

This is called the kernel command line where you may add command switches.

like, the harddrive irq and sometimes the sata module. (I've seen this a lot, even with the install Free DVD's)

noapic (may also be typed pci=noapic) It won't hurt to try, and won't take too long before you know if it works or not.

Once the system is installed you should NOT have the same problem at boot time.

ref, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions

These option are GNU/Linux Kernel options and should work for any/most distributions.

If the live disk works well for you on your system without installing, then your hardware is fine.
It's the Mandriva installer program that makes the wrong guess and locks-up the system.

Hope this helps, Regards Glenn

i did tried to change all the options including the one u mentioned above but non of them worked same problem is coming,,the cd stops and the system kind of hangs at the mandriva logo screen on which some graphic initially moves in a circle ,,which also hangs and nothng can be done....
when i pressed f4 the following option menu popped out in the grub .....like
DEFAULT
NO ACPCI
NO DEFAULT APIC
,,,,,one more option was there

,,,,when i selected the no apic one and pressesd enter then i entered the command pic =noapic the way u told ,,,,,not working
help
 
Old 12-08-2010, 08:45 AM   #4
markush
Senior Member
 
Registered: Apr 2007
Location: Germany
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 3,979

Rep: Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850
Hello sinvikram,

I would try another distributions CD.
If you're familiar with the commandline, try the Slackware USB-boot.img, you can download for example here: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/slackwar...xe-installers/
It comes with an excellent documentation by Alien Bob. Slackware runs on every hardware. You don't need to install Slackware in order to check your hardware, but if this usb image doesn't boot, I'd assume that there is a hardware-failure.

Markus
 
Old 12-08-2010, 09:29 AM   #5
TobiSGD
Moderator
 
Registered: Dec 2009
Location: Germany
Distribution: Whatever fits the task best
Posts: 17,130
Blog Entries: 2

Rep: Reputation: 4825Reputation: 4825Reputation: 4825Reputation: 4825Reputation: 4825Reputation: 4825Reputation: 4825Reputation: 4825Reputation: 4825Reputation: 4825Reputation: 4825
Quote:
Originally Posted by markush View Post
You don't need to install Slackware in order to check your hardware, but if this usb image doesn't boot, I'd assume that there is a hardware-failure.
Or his hardware simply can't boot of USB, what regarding the specs he gave would not be so uncommon.
 
Old 12-08-2010, 09:35 AM   #6
markush
Senior Member
 
Registered: Apr 2007
Location: Germany
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 3,979

Rep: Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850
mh, I think I wrote nonsense since it seems sinvikram is running Ubuntu on the machine, so the hardware works.
Maybe that a recent install-CD lacks an apropriate driver for the ide-drive (old hardware).

@sinvikram: could you please post the output of lspci?

Markus
 
Old 12-08-2010, 11:58 AM   #7
sinvikram
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2009
Posts: 28
Blog Entries: 2

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by markush View Post
mh, I think I wrote nonsense since it seems sinvikram is running Ubuntu on the machine, so the hardware works.
Maybe that a recent install-CD lacks an apropriate driver for the ide-drive (old hardware).

@sinvikram: could you please post the output of lspci?

Markus
here is the out put of the command u mentioned ....
vik@UB910:~$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [KM400/A] Chipset Host Bridge
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237/VX700 PCI Bridge
00:09.0 Modem: Motorola SM56 Data Fax Modem (rev 04)
00:0f.0 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 86)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 ISA bridge [KT600/K8T800/K8T890 South]
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. KM400/KN400/P4M800 [S3 UniChrome] (rev 01)
vik@UB910:~$

one thing i got to tell is that my system can be booted from the usb also ...althoughit is very slow as compared to live cd........one time i did tried to make the bootable live usb of ubuntu and it successfully worked....but this time even the live usb made from, ubnetbootin was not able to install and it also didnt worked.....
and yes i am currently running ubuntu 9.10......and recently i installed ubuntu 10.10 from a live cd and the installation was successful but i wanted to create an independent data partition for my personal data and someone recommended me the process for doing so and for tht i got to reinstall my system ,...but due to my rough handling of the cd it got damaged and i was having no way to install ...but i had one previous ubuntu 9.10 live cd so i installed it ....thts the whole problem.....so this time i tried to test mandriva but it is not getting installed.......kindly help.....
 
Old 12-08-2010, 12:44 PM   #8
markush
Senior Member
 
Registered: Apr 2007
Location: Germany
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 3,979

Rep: Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850
Well, I don't have any experience with Mandriva and would suggest to check if their CD supports your hardware. From your description (where in the bootprocess the system gets stuck), I'd assume that theres a driver for the harddisk missing. Unfortunately I don't know how one can check this.
Maybe there is something like a "verbose mode" which shows the kernel messages while booting, this would be very helpful.
Another possibility would be if you have a more recent Computer. You may boot the CD on this machine and check the kernelconfiguration.
Maybe Mandriva has other installationmedia with a more elaborate kernel?
In fact, if it is a compatibility problem, you'd be better off to post this issue in the Mandriva-forum: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/mandriva-30/

Markus
 
Old 12-08-2010, 01:11 PM   #9
sinvikram
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2009
Posts: 28
Blog Entries: 2

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by markush View Post
Well, I don't have any experience with Mandriva and would suggest to check if their CD supports your hardware. From your description (where in the bootprocess the system gets stuck), I'd assume that theres a driver for the harddisk missing. Unfortunately I don't know how one can check this.
Maybe there is something like a "verbose mode" which shows the kernel messages while booting, this would be very helpful.
Another possibility would be if you have a more recent Computer. You may boot the CD on this machine and check the kernelconfiguration.
Maybe Mandriva has other installationmedia with a more elaborate kernel?
In fact, if it is a compatibility problem, you'd be better off to post this issue in the Mandriva-forum: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/mandriva-30/

Markus

actually it stopped after the grub menu appeared ..i tell the exactly how it stops
when i put the live mandriva cd inside me cd rom .then i restart my system.after tht the usual screen appears showing booting from cd/dvd.then there comes two lines starting the process,,,,somethng like
init .................................................................................................... .............
grub loading............................................................................................
then i press the f6 key and then the mandriva options menu appeared ...with three options (not exactly what appeared)
1. live session ..
2. install mandriva
3.. xyz
at bottom of the screen are the following option keys
f1 -help f2 - .............. f4 boot options
somethng like this
then i select the install options and from f4 key tried to change the boot options to -- noapic and others
then i enter and then the blue screen with mandriva icon appears with some graphic showing circling appears .......the graphic keep rotating for some time then the option appears at the bottom of the screen saying ......
press esc for verbose mode ...after tht the system hangs and nothng happens , one time i did pressed esc then a screen apeared showing some written stuff...it outputs somethng then stops after some time and nothng happens,the cd i think also stops rotating or rotates at so slow speed..
 
Old 12-08-2010, 01:49 PM   #10
markush
Senior Member
 
Registered: Apr 2007
Location: Germany
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 3,979

Rep: Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850
Quote:
Originally Posted by sinvikram View Post
...press esc for verbose mode ...after tht the system hangs and nothng happens , one time i did pressed esc then a screen apeared showing some written stuff...it outputs somethng then stops after some time and nothng happens,the cd i think also stops rotating or rotates at so slow speed..
Here we are! The written stuff, thats important, could you please try this again and look if there is a message about "Kernel Panic" and what it says? Then please post here what you found out.

Markus
 
Old 12-08-2010, 02:37 PM   #11
sinvikram
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2009
Posts: 28
Blog Entries: 2

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by markush View Post
Here we are! The written stuff, thats important, could you please try this again and look if there is a message about "Kernel Panic" and what it says? Then please post here what you found out.

Markus
dear Marcus as such i didnd found anythng called "kernel panic" but whatever appeared i just write briefly below
PATA via ......some text/...............>irq 11
pata via.............................
.
.
.
.
scsi0 : pata _via.....
.
ata1: pata max....................
ata2
ata2
.
.
.
.
.sda1 : 0:0:[sda] 78242976 512-byte logocal block
sda1 " " write protect off
write cache : enabled ,read cache :enabled, doesn`t support DPO or FUA
sda : sda1 sda2<sda5 sda1> sda3

freeing unused kernel memory 524 k freed
Tomoyo security MACextension available but disabled by default .if u want to eamble and use it ,CCS-tools package must be installed.
INIT :version 2.86 booting
unionfs: new lower inode mtime (bindex=0 name =run)
unmounting initrd
Welcome to Mandriva Linux 2010.1 [ok]
starting udev _


.........................................................................thts all it does and after this nothing happens and the cd speed also slows down and stops i think....
 
Old 12-08-2010, 02:39 PM   #12
markush
Senior Member
 
Registered: Apr 2007
Location: Germany
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 3,979

Rep: Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850
Well, how long did you wait after "starting udev _" appeared? this process may take a while, at least some minutes.

Markus
 
Old 12-08-2010, 02:45 PM   #13
sinvikram
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2009
Posts: 28
Blog Entries: 2

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
actually previously i waited for a long time ,,,but this time waited just for 5 minutes at max...u know nothing appears on screen as if the system has got hanged and whatever u may press ,does nothng and the cursor after starting udev "_" also stops blinkling
 
Old 12-08-2010, 02:49 PM   #14
markush
Senior Member
 
Registered: Apr 2007
Location: Germany
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 3,979

Rep: Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850Reputation: 850
Well, if waiting does not help, I'd suggest to download an older Mandriva install-CD which may apply better to your hardware.
If this works you can upgrade after installing the old Mandriva-Version (at least I hope this will be possible).

Markus
 
Old 12-08-2010, 03:44 PM   #15
sinvikram
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Dec 2009
Posts: 28
Blog Entries: 2

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 0
haaa thts the last thing left for me to do ..but tht in itself is a painful exercise as i have to download it again and it takes so long time more than one day as my internet speed is very slow...17 kbps...
i am thinking to stick to ubuntu only /////....but my curiosity for a new distro is forcing me from inside to try somethng different from ubuntu now.....tell me what should i do
 
  


Reply

Tags
mandriva


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Linux is loosing its weight/impact by dropping compatiblity with older hardware. gdmellott General 13 07-13-2008 11:34 AM
Hardware compatiblity frozendice Linux - Hardware 3 02-19-2007 07:00 AM
unix compatiblity perdesiz Solaris / OpenSolaris 2 02-04-2004 04:37 AM
unix compatiblity perdesiz Linux - Software 4 01-23-2004 06:13 AM
Mandrake and Debian compatiblity inkysplat Linux - General 4 01-10-2004 08:46 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:27 PM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Facebook: linuxquestions Google+: linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration