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Old 06-01-2005, 11:32 PM   #1
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hang upon startx --is it a screen problem??


Hi!

I am going to install Linux on my laptop and I have just tried Knoppix to see how it will respond to the hardware. You see, it is all fine until it comes to starting X11, it can detect my sound card and all, then it just hangs up there. I changed to the console mode and it says "Starting X11". It seems it's trying to detect the best configuration and it can't. Now, is it a problem with live CD's, or will it "ghost" when I try to install, for example Fedora? And also, is this about my screen? Are there any laptops anyway, (I have a Toshiba) that Linux has problems with the screen? (I mean, if I can see the console this mean screen is ok, right?) Any suggestions, that would really help... Thanks guys....


(I have tried to Ctrl-C and give the command startx myself but it says it is already started anyway...)
 
Old 06-02-2005, 12:53 AM   #2
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try checking the log for X.. i think its /var/log/Xorg.0.log or something similar..
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tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log
or try running "xorgconfig" as root to setup X again.

post the output of that first command and lets see if we can debug whats happening

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Old 06-02-2005, 09:55 AM   #3
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Hi nadroj...

well, to tail /var/log/XFree86.0.log it complains

Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.Z" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".pcf.gz" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".snf" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".snf.Z" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".snf.gz" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".bdf" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.Z" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.gz" already registered at priority 0
Warning: font renderer for ".pmf" already registered at priority 0
SetClientVersion: 0 8

Hope that helps
Thanx!
 
Old 06-02-2005, 11:06 AM   #4
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ya.. that definetly doesnt help (at least for me)!
maybe the same tail command adding " -n 25" to the end of it, so it will show the last 25 lines of the file rather than the default 10

have you tried running xfree86config as root?
 
Old 06-02-2005, 12:00 PM   #5
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Well, it cannot find xfree86config command....

Here's my log:

(**) Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"
(**) PS/2 Mouse: always reports core events
(**) Option "CorePointer"
(**) PS/2 Mouse: Core Pointer
(**) Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
(**) Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
(**) Option "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
(**) PS/2 Mouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 70
(**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
(**) PS/2 Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
(**) PS/'2 Mouse: Buttons: 5
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "PS/2 Mouse" (type: MOUSE)
(--) PS/2 Mouse: PnP-detected protocol: "PS/2"
(II) PS/2 Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded

the rest is the same with above Hope that helps now, please...
 
Old 06-02-2005, 12:04 PM   #6
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hot news
I have found the command: xf86config... What exactly can I do with this? Should I let it produce a base file for me? Then what should I do? (Not much of complaining, I hope...) Thanx lots and lots....
 
Old 06-02-2005, 01:05 PM   #7
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For these sort of problems, try to re-configure or re-install X. Sometimes the installer messes the file up due to dependencies or wrong guesses of hardware.

--Abid Kazmi
 
Old 06-02-2005, 06:14 PM   #8
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ya, just run the config program as root and it should be pretty straight forward. i havent used that one as my distro uses X.org and is probably similar.. it just asks you some questions about your monitor keyboard mouse and video card. make sure to know info about your monitor (Horizontal refresh rate and Vertical refresh rate; should be on manufacturers website).
 
Old 06-03-2005, 12:07 AM   #9
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People, bear in mind that he has booted off of the Knoppix live CD. The configuration should have been done for him at boot up. I've used Knoppix on a fair number of machines (including many laptops) and it has NEVER failed to load X windows (barring other problems). This is not a good sign. Hopefully, it is just a matter of the CD drive not being able to read the disk properly. It will spit out a long number, give you an error, and tell you how many bytes are missing because of the block that it can't read.

I doubt that this is a compatibility issue, though it is possible. I'd recommend looking for your specific model Toshba in the HCL here in linuxquestions.org. It might be a hardware problem though. I have seen bad hardware that will crash one operating system, but not another (usually windows crashes, and no, these aren't driver issues).
 
Old 06-03-2005, 12:09 AM   #10
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Thanks guys... Let me try that. Will write the result
 
Old 06-03-2005, 12:16 AM   #11
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Upppps....
By hardware problem, do you mean it is a problem for all linux-kernel operating systems? Or you mean there is a manufacturing problem? And one more question, I understand if Knoppix cannot do it, no other distro will achieve too, I mean Xorg bla bla or XFree bla bla will not differ, did I get you right?

Thanxx...
 
Old 06-03-2005, 12:20 AM   #12
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One thing more: It just hangs up saying: trying to figure out the best configuration....
Hmmm I guess I will hate the word "configuration" now It's not a friendly word any more...
 
Old 06-03-2005, 10:09 AM   #13
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Fiera, next time please EDIT your posts instead of replying three times. =)

Thanks,

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Old 06-03-2005, 02:41 PM   #14
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I can't tell what the problem is with the information that you've given (not that I think I could anyway ). I'm guessing that there is some hardware problem related to your video card, but it is just a guess. You might try posting the last few lines before it stops. you could also try "dmesg | tail" right afterward.

I'm guessing that it may not be worth trying to load linux onto the system, unless you're willing to go through a long diagnosis process to figure out what the problem is, and if there are any drivers/options to get around it. It is hypothetically a problem that only shows up on Knoppix, but I doubt it.
 
  


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