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Old 12-10-2004, 05:07 PM   #16
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This is one of the more frustrating things about using Linux. Mplayer is a better design (as reported, anyway), but it lacks functions that Xine has. How many media players are there for Linux, and when will any of them finally catch up to the MS media player that comes with Windows? Grrrrr...
 
Old 12-10-2004, 05:43 PM   #17
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yeah apt-get is the best thing ever when new to linux .
yes, apt is awesome (Debian version - I haven't tried the rpm version)

downside is that it handles everything for you, so you don't get an understanding of everything that's going on and how different apps interrelate - but as you've seen, that may not be such a bad thing sometimes, especially if you're new to this
 
Old 12-10-2004, 05:54 PM   #18
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This is one of the more frustrating things about using Linux. Mplayer is a better design (as reported, anyway), but it lacks functions that Xine has. How many media players are there for Linux, and when will any of them finally catch up to the MS media player that comes with Windows? Grrrrr...
Mplayer is far more configurable than xine, or even windows media player, gmplayer can be a pain at first though, like I say, lack of dvd menu support. The other drawback is that you must spend time reading the man page to get the most out of it - but I enjoy that sort of thing!
edit: Especially for encoding with mencoder
edit2: and if you use mplayer (as opposed to gmplayer), you have the keyboard controls which gets rid of the intrusive gui you are so dependant upon. All the configuration needs are handled by ~/.mplayer/config

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Old 12-13-2004, 10:42 AM   #19
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Mplayer is far more configurable than xine, or even windows media player, gmplayer can be a pain at first though, like I say, lack of dvd menu support. The other drawback is that you must spend time reading the man page to get the most out of it - but I enjoy that sort of thing!
edit: Especially for encoding with mencoder
edit2: and if you use mplayer (as opposed to gmplayer), you have the keyboard controls which gets rid of the intrusive gui you are so dependant upon. All the configuration needs are handled by ~/.mplayer/config
Many linux apps are apparently defended by the "but it is more configurable" excuse, but what I want is functionality first, and configurability second. If it isn't stable and doesn't perform all media player functions, such as playing DVD's etc, then what good is its high level of configurability?

Linux software developers seems to mis-prioritize the feature enhancements in their products on a regular basis. In an effort to make a product very flexible and extensible, they put their effort there and skimp on the actual ability to do stuff, but better your car goes than has adjustable seats but no engine.
 
Old 12-13-2004, 11:50 AM   #20
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Fair comment.
My angle on it is this: You can create a complete desktop on your own using your own scripts making the most out of the installed software by NOT using it's gui, just by including the command line in your scripts.
In effect you are making your own gui which is 100% what YOU want. You can't do that with xine.
Having said that what we all really want is menu support for dvds!!!! Damn.
 
Old 12-13-2004, 03:27 PM   #21
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Fair comment.
My angle on it is this: You can create a complete desktop on your own using your own scripts making the most out of the installed software by NOT using it's gui, just by including the command line in your scripts.
In effect you are making your own gui which is 100% what YOU want. You can't do that with xine.
Having said that what we all really want is menu support for dvds!!!! Damn.
Yes, you can do this.

But when I look at Linux on my desktop, I'm comparing it to the Windows that is still taking up 30% of my hard drive because my wife will not convert. And when I consider the reasons she won't convert, what I want from Linux is for it to do everything that Windows is capable of doing in a brainless, GUI way like Windows.

No, Linux is not Windows, but platitudes aside, if it is going to become a true alternative product for mainstream folks, a powerful command line won't be the thing that sells it. It will be a very powerful, very stable, very configurable GUI desktop with GUI applications that are pretty and extremely functional and easy to use.

In other words, Linux need the Windows Media Player. The Linux community knows all of this to be true, obviously, or KDE and Gnome wouldn't have copied the Win95 Desktop, and OpenOffice wouldn't be a nearly complete ripoff of MS Office.

In order to kick Micro$not out of my house and off my PC, Linux has to convince more than me, it has to convince my wife. And she's pretty open minded, but she's not willing to invest a lot of effort in converting - and I don't blame her. Why should she, just to give me 20GB of space on my hard drive back?

She sits and watches over my shoulder as I perform common tasks, and every time that terminal window opens, she sighs, and slaps my shoulder and says "Not yet."
 
Old 01-05-2005, 06:38 PM   #22
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Yes, you can do this.

But when I look at Linux on my desktop, I'm comparing it to the Windows that is still taking up 30% of my hard drive because my wife will not convert. And when I consider the reasons she won't convert, what I want from Linux is for it to do everything that Windows is capable of doing in a brainless, GUI way like Windows.

No, Linux is not Windows, but platitudes aside, if it is going to become a true alternative product for mainstream folks, a powerful command line won't be the thing that sells it. It will be a very powerful, very stable, very configurable GUI desktop with GUI applications that are pretty and extremely functional and easy to use.

In other words, Linux need the Windows Media Player. The Linux community knows all of this to be true, obviously, or KDE and Gnome wouldn't have copied the Win95 Desktop, and OpenOffice wouldn't be a nearly complete ripoff of MS Office.

In order to kick Micro$not out of my house and off my PC, Linux has to convince more than me, it has to convince my wife. And she's pretty open minded, but she's not willing to invest a lot of effort in converting - and I don't blame her. Why should she, just to give me 20GB of space on my hard drive back?

She sits and watches over my shoulder as I perform common tasks, and every time that terminal window opens, she sighs, and slaps my shoulder and says "Not yet."

Linux 24 what canon printer do you have?????

because the canon drivers tend top be the same based on what ink cartridge they use.

I have the canon i250 color jet and it works using the s200 printer drivers under mandrake 10.1
i350 also works and i350 and a couple more i treid that used 24c cartriges.

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