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Old 10-02-2007, 03:05 PM   #1
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GNU/Linux-phobia!


O.K. heres the issue: I have downloaded a copy of Ubuntu GNU/Linux, and burnt the image to a RW-CD. Works! woot happy me. I am getting tired of it taking near a half hour to boot up, then loosing everything that ive done! Heres the dilemma: When I install will it over write windows?
 
Old 10-02-2007, 03:11 PM   #2
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If you install Ubuntu (or another Linux distro) to the hard drive you will experience much faster performance. The software is compressed on the CDROM and must be uncompressed for use. In addition, the read rate for a CDROM is much slower than a hard drive.
 
Old 10-02-2007, 03:15 PM   #3
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Breathe In.... Breathe out!

Actually there is little chance of your install going wrong.

Choosing "guided" partition during the install allows you to move a slider back and forth deciding how much space to use for the install / win partition.

Once you have decided, parted (the program) repartitions your disk and the install starts, should be smooth sailing.

Helped many newcomers by reassuringly looking them over the shoulder while they installed. Never had to do a single thing other than that so far

However like whenever you do system wide changes make a backup of your essential data.

Last edited by Nimoy; 10-02-2007 at 03:38 PM. Reason: spelling ;)
 
Old 10-02-2007, 03:16 PM   #4
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Heres the dilemma: When I install will it over write windows?
Only if you allow it to. If your Windows partition takes up your entire hard drive, you'll need to shrink it in order to make Linux partitions (I'm not sure whether Ubuntu's CD has a tool for this). It's also a good idea to back up important files before installing, just in case something goes wrong!
 
Old 10-02-2007, 03:22 PM   #5
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Thanks! (Wow, you don't get this kind of help from windows costumer service...x]kekeke)
 
Old 10-02-2007, 03:32 PM   #6
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Defragment your Windows before resizing it. Any problems, just ask.
 
Old 10-02-2007, 04:50 PM   #7
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Backup---did someone say BACKUP???

Backup important files
De-frag
Resize Windows partition
Install Linux

Depending on the size of you hard disk, I recommend:
10-15GB Windows
7-10 GB Linux
20+ GB shared data
at least 10GB unpartioned--for future changes
 
Old 10-02-2007, 07:28 PM   #8
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Can I just put in a vote to de-frag first, otherwise, as per pixellany's advice.
 
Old 10-02-2007, 09:20 PM   #9
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Use wubi. No partitioning necessary:
http://wubi-installer.org/
 
Old 10-03-2007, 05:38 AM   #10
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Dual booting, rather than using Wubi, means it would be easy to change distros.
 
Old 10-04-2007, 02:47 PM   #11
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Dual booting, rather than using Wubi, means it would be easy to change distros.
I joined a few minutes ago. So I'm a newbie indeed.

I have wubi on my Aopen Xc barebone cube mini intel 915 chip set.

I, have tried to find if that one are incompatible with wubi but failed to find an answer so Ijoined this forum in case you guys have experience of my trouble.

wUBI worked ok for me for some two days but when I did an update to the 118? updates available then the wubi install failed to do clean shutdown

all looks ok but the HDD and power and fan is working.

I've learned one should use alt+SysRq+ a sequence of different chars.

But to newbie that is like magick, one don't dare do such complicated things

So I ask the following.

Should I delete this wubi ubuntu 7.04 and wait for the wubi on 7,1 Gutsy and skip the updating cause that one maybe make it fail to shutdown?
 
Old 10-04-2007, 10:03 PM   #12
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Having wubi doesn't make installing a new distribution any more difficult than installing a distribution from scratch. In fact, after learning a bit about how Linux works in wubi, there is a good chance it will be easier.


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wUBI worked ok for me for some two days but when I did an update to the 118? updates available then the wubi install failed to do clean shutdown

all looks ok but the HDD and power and fan is working.

I've learned one should use alt+SysRq+ a sequence of different chars.
Linux Emergency Reboot = "Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_S...ergency_reboot

Helpful Ubuntu user links:
http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/...bie_FAQ#Ubuntu


sep
 
Old 10-05-2007, 04:29 AM   #13
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Thanks.

I will try this then.

Quote:
Emergency reboot

"Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring" is a mnemonic device for remembering a keystroke sequence that should be used as an alternative to hitting the power button if a Linux system should ever freeze and need to be rebooted.

1. Alt + SysRq + R – takes the keyboard out of raw mode.
2. Alt + SysRq + E – terminates all processes (except init).
3. Alt + SysRq + I – kills all processes (except init).
4. Alt + SysRq + S – synchronizes the disk.
5. Alt + SysRq + U – remounts all filesystems read-only.
6. Alt + SysRq + B – reboots the machine.

... the above hotkey sequences ...should be entered in slow succession, giving the system a chance to complete earlier steps before moving on to subsequent ones. Typing the sequence slowly may allow the system to safely terminate most or all processes before the more drastic kill command is invoked. Also, to minimize the chance of data corruption, it is a good idea to wait between the disk synchronization command and the unmount and finally the reboot command.

An alternative to issuing the REISUB/RSEIUB keystrokes is to just press

Alt + SysRq + R, followed by Ctrl + Alt + Del.

This is the equivalent of issuing a shutdown now command at a root console; it does take a short while for the system to shut down after the Ctrl + Alt + Del keystroke.

However, not all Linux systems support this easier method.
I could start with the easy one?

Alt + SysRq + R, followed by Ctrl + Alt + Del.

And see if that one works.

Being a nooby I realise I could be way too naive. It hit me that I had an USB dongle a Win900 Haupauge TV receiver connected at the back of computer. In windows it seems not to matter to the software but maybe in Linux it does? So if I safely unmount that one in windows first then maybe the shutdown works? Or is that unrelated?

I need to get this one answered too.

Is it not best to wait a month until the Gutsy WUBI stable version is available. Then I download that one and never do a update then the shutdown problem will not happen ever again?

As I remember it was the update that changed something in the program taking away the ability to shutdown properly.

Nooby

Ps I logged out from win xp and are now logged in using wubi ubuntu and will try out above and tell you what happens

This is how it appears. I do a normal shutdown. All looks ok but when the screen goes pitch black the CPU fan runs like wild indicating that some process use 100% of capacity. I tried all of the sequences suggested in the wiki and none of them hepled. I had to hold the off key in more than a few 4 seconds or so.

Luckily the mbr didn't screw up. I am in windows again.

What to try next? Set up bios to allow what is needed. Where could I read about that? I fail to find it likely that I am the only one using Intel chip set 915 so some linux user must have adviced on how to set that one up in Bios? The Aopen Barebone is only 2 years old.

Last edited by nooby; 10-05-2007 at 05:05 AM.
 
Old 10-05-2007, 05:34 AM   #14
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It might be some time after Ubuntu 7.10 is released before a Wubi version of it is available. I only tried Wubi briefly a while ago, so I can't help with any problems with that. I would ask you to consider dual-booting. How big is your HD? How much room is Windows taking up? How much could you spare for Linux? I don't know much about hardware, so can't help you there, either.
 
Old 10-05-2007, 05:55 AM   #15
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Thanks Brian,

I may follow your advise later.

I\m back with a fresh Wubi installation of Fiesty Fawn. I disconnected teh Haupauge Win 900 TV adapter and have not updated the 100 plus updates available.

And will now test if the shut down works with the fresh installation. Took only 30 minutes or so.

I have to remember to chagne to swedish keyboard I\m on english US I guess now.

I come back within 5 minutes and tell if shutdown works. I'm using ubuntu now Swedish now едц jay works.

What is going on?

I'm back on win xp now. It failed to do a clean shutdown.

this is a true mystery. Before I used Firefox the wubi ubunty has managed to shut down and restart cleanly two times. After firing up FF and writing in this forum the ubuntu linux lost its ability to do a clean shutdown or restart.

Isn't this suprising.

I mean the installer managed to do clean restarts many times by itself and the first time the ubuntu was working and I logged in and I just looked that all lokked ok with nautilus and then I did a shutdown and that one worked and then I started the computer again logging in and after using Firefox once it failed to do a clean shutdown.

Should I test not using FF and see if that allow me to shutdown or is that too late now. FF changed something for ever? I try again

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