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Old 04-27-2011, 05:40 AM   #1
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Glitchy Gaming And Low FPS


Ok hopefully i can get a response here, im yet to recieve any helpful responses as of yet towards this subject

Ok first up my setup

AMD Phenom 2 955 3.2
4GB DDR3 G.Skill Gaming Ram
HIS ATi 5770 GFX
Ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10 tested 32 bit
Latest wine compiled with the needed patchs

Situation
all 3D Games under wine run at a very low fps even with the lowest graphics settings, this includes starcraft 2, league of legends, css, etc. using the latest ATi driver and 11.2 and the "tested" additional drivers ubuntu auto installs and yes i followed all the guides to improve performance under wine in all my games and all the custom patchs

Even native games such as Trine, cop lag spikes, and choppyness

Now this does not happen under windows, so i know my card and computer are healthy as can be, there new parts. in windows, in the same games, i get up to 200 fps +

The only conclusion i can come to is an incompatability with ubuntu and the latest ati drivers but i cant find anyone who can confirm this or that has a similiar setup and the same problems

I also see people with better or lower ati cards, some with the same, running these exact games in linux on high graphics with no lag

Now, abit of a turn around is, Trine and native games ran smooth as can be in Fedora 14, i cant remember what drivers i used, i followed there yum guide, but it ran extremely well and with no glitching in the exact same spots were i would glitch heavily in ubuntu

Tho i was unable to test wine games because i couldnt figure out how to compile wine in fedora with a patch i need to run my specific games, in ubuntu it was easy using sudo and apt-get

the only response i got from the ubuntu forums was "get an nvidia card"

I realise wine isnt perfect, but, fact is. other people have these games running fine on similiar cards and setups

I dont know if there using different drivers, or if im doing something extremely wrong or missing an important detail

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Old 04-27-2011, 06:03 AM   #2
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I would also like to know this..in meantime one important difference between Fedora and Ubuntu is software release versions. Are you running same Wine version as you did on Fedora? Fedora likes more newer stuff so that should be my guess why it works better(i also had good experience running few games). Are your friends using Ubuntu(same version or close?) aswell with similar hardware? However ugly truth is - Windows-only games will work best only in Windows..dual-boot maybe?
 
Old 04-27-2011, 06:09 AM   #3
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Are you using the latest Ati drivers from the Ati site or ones from the repos? It could be worth checking to see if there's a difference between them.
 
Old 04-27-2011, 06:13 AM   #4
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I do dual-boot unfortantly, i really wish i could switch but hey what can ya do

Ok onto the situation, yes the people i saw on youtube had similiar setups and got these games running fine, i dont know them personally :P or id probably know what im doing wrong

Fedora 14 was the version i was using, and for some reason ive just had a better gaming experience in fedora, i just cant figure out why because come to think of it, i think the ATi driver version was the same

Wine was the latest version with patch's compiled on ubuntu by my own hand that are specific to these games

I get that windows works great with games and linux is 100% yet, but i know for a fact that these games run fine on similiar systems ( and majorly exceptional on nvidia systems )

It was native linux games as well as wine games to btw, Trine is linux native, and it chops running across the first bridge in ubuntu and lags on and off, that doesnt happen in fedora

P.S - , in ubuntu i tried the repo drivers, the auto additional drivers that ubuntu suggests, and the latest ati drivers from the website with building the packages specifically for ubuntu on 10.04 and 10.10

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Old 04-27-2011, 06:35 AM   #5
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Then it's pretty much mismatch with hardware..you see Linux is kernel and distributions are different homes build on it as base and sometimes they just don't fit. Same happens when you try distributions to find one you like - some will work great some won't for you and your computer.. If that game worked on Fedora and|or you have legit Windows 7 on which game also runs i don't see why such pain going through wierd decisions - put back Fedora or use Win7.
 
Old 04-30-2011, 01:49 AM   #6
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update:

i decided to run some tests and got myself an NVIDIA GTX 460 1GB SE ( i wanted this card regardless of linux :P, so i traded my 5770 for it, omg its beast on windows xD <3 NVIDIA )

Anyway

i recieved the exact same problem in ubuntu 10.10 32Bit, i386

And fedora ran fine, i noticed that fedora is i686, and chakra runs smooth as hell, which is i686

My Processor is a nice little AMD Phenom 2 955 Black edition

the only conclusion i can come to is that the problem lays in i386 and the Phenom 955, i686 runs fine, and im yet to test 64 bit , but im guessing that runs smooth to

So like i said, the only issue i can come to, is incompatability with 32bit i386

arcane: yea i know, ill stick with what works ofcourse, i just wanted to find the core of the problem xD

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Old 04-30-2011, 04:18 AM   #7
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That made me interested aswell. I found this on google.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d-i686-198431/
Btw to LQ adminstration: It's not me! I am not multi accounting - it's just coinsidence and not news people like pick similar or same names..
 
Old 04-30-2011, 09:11 AM   #8
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the part that dissapoints me the most is that this happens in ubuntu, now, i like chakra, and fedora just fine, yea there fun, but i LOVe ubuntu and kubuntu and natty 11.04 is amazing

i just wish i wasnt having a problem with ubuntu specifically
 
Old 05-01-2011, 12:15 PM   #9
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Is ccc opening up with no problems? Also, check the settings. Sometimes tear free desktop slows thinks down allot with some distros. Also, check to see if opengl is set to ati.

I had a similar problem on gentoo because I thought everything was set up right but ccc just kept refusing to open and games were slow(glx gears was fine).

After a re-install of the drivers followed by aticonfig --initial and loading the fglrx module everything worked great.

good luck.
 
Old 05-01-2011, 04:16 PM   #10
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well thats good advice, but yes, i doubled checked all that and tested

see thing now is, im not using ATi anymore, i picked up an NVIDIA Geforce 460 SE, and the same problem keeps happening
 
Old 05-01-2011, 04:49 PM   #11
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Quote:
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the only conclusion i can come to is that the problem lays in i386 and the Phenom 955, i686 runs fine, and im yet to test 64 bit , but im guessing that runs smooth to

So like i said, the only issue i can come to, is incompatability with 32bit i386
I'd doubt that its an i386 problem, its more likely a ubuntu problem.

i386 is just a naming convention, and 10.10 and above wont run on i386-i586 CPUs-

http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/ubunt...-wont-run.html

BTW, unless you actually like unity, or have a lot of fondness for jockey-gtk, try debain.

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the only response i got from the ubuntu forums was "get an nvidia card"
Typical ubuntu forums. There is one one person there who really knows much about video cards (Temüjin) and IIRC he is also another in the 'get an nvidia card' group.

BTW, was the GTX460SE idea from the ubuntu forums? Not that they are bad cards, but compared to a 'normal' GTX460 the GTX460 SE is 'slow edition'.

Last edited by cascade9; 05-01-2011 at 05:08 PM. Reason: not a typo, a grammar mistake! praise the gods!
 
Old 05-01-2011, 10:29 PM   #12
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nah it wasnt an idea from the forums, it was just the only 460 that we had at work haha, i traded my old ATi 5770 and 5670 for it, i know not the best deal out there, but ive wanted an nvidia card for months ( im not an ati fan, i miss my 6600 GT )

but im not complaining, like, regardless of the ubuntu issue, the 460 SE GTX overclocks like a beauty and was a notice-able upgrade from my 5770, the 460 SE rocks, its a beast!! and holds a 10x more steady fps than my 5770 and stopped my windows 7 lag spikes during games, and its sexy and dual fans and im inlove with it haha

Anyway, im getting off topic ( i also see what your saying about the ubuntu "get an nvidia group" , every ubuntu user with a sig has an nvidia card and its all they say there ")

im going to try out chakra and debian tonight ,ill let you guys know how it goes. tho with debian i get confused, i go to there http download links and theres a million d1 and d3 isos and files, i just want one iso for a dvd lol so i have no clue what to download

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Old 05-01-2011, 10:52 PM   #13
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Just download the first DVD, you won't need more to set up a working system.
 
Old 05-01-2011, 11:01 PM   #14
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Would straight Debian be a better choice over chakra or Sabayon, chakra is really attractive, and i like them both in VMWare
 
Old 05-01-2011, 11:11 PM   #15
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Chakra is based on Arch, Sabayon is based on Gentoo. Both are rolling release distributions, so that you will always get the latest software, but it may break sometimes. So you should know your system good enough to fix it, if that happens.
Debian is a really stable base, but is (if you use the stable version) using a bit older software versions. At the time I used Debian I also had Arch installed on my system only for gaming. Just because It always has the latest Wine. I had no problems with that. I never used Sabayon, so I can't say anything about that.
 
  


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