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Old 06-05-2006, 02:29 PM   #1
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Gentoo 2006.0 on IBM T21 Laptop


Well hello. I'm using this Laptop as my main computer , since i have no money for a powerful box right now. That's why I migrated to Linux. Because it provides all the functions I need , but faster then windows. Well I've installed some Linux systems and i discovered , that they are ok , but still too heavy. Then i investigated gentoo and now i know , that it's the best choice for my old laptop. But , looking forward , I know , that i'll have some troubles manually compiling the kernel , but it's the only way to make my laptop act the fastest way. If some1 can help me with that it will be nice.
Any flag description manual or maybe .config file is welcome. THe thing is i'm not only going to install gentoo once , but i want to learn how to compile the kernel.

Looking forward for your help

Thank you.
 
Old 06-05-2006, 03:40 PM   #2
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Hi

There are literally dozens of places you can learn to compile a kernel and how to configure it. Many of them right here in this forum. The link below is pretty generic, but does provide a lot of information:

http://www.isi.edu/~weiye/howto/kernel.html

Hope this helps

Bob
 
Old 06-06-2006, 06:23 AM   #3
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Well , thank you. I'll read the guide and i hope i'll learn how to configure the kernel
 
Old 06-06-2006, 07:46 AM   #4
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hi there,
i don't intend to start a flame war here but considering your hardware i would give a binary based distro a try. gentoo is a really nice distro but a fast machine is necessary. considering that you have hardware limitations i would think twice before going further with gentoo.
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* disclaimer: i am a gentoo user
 
Old 06-06-2006, 01:57 PM   #5
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slackie1000....

Is that correct? Gentoo needs modern hardware? I ask because I was about to try it on a PIII 1.0GHz with 512mb mem. What will it run like on this gear?

Bob
 
Old 06-06-2006, 02:10 PM   #6
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it doesn't need modern hardware. i've intalled it on a 500mhz P2 and a 333Mhz G3. what he is referring to is that since you usually compile everything that it will take longer with a slower machine. bob it should run just fine on that and if you run into any trouble along the way let me know.
 
Old 06-06-2006, 02:15 PM   #7
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Thanks Steve...

Have wanted to install Gentoo for some time, but have been chicken (tried LFS once and failed at the very end of the project.) Thanks, Žnuff said. Do not want to hijack the thread.

Bob
 
Old 06-06-2006, 05:58 PM   #8
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Gentoo is great if you can wait for the compile times. You'll spend a great amount of time compiling software the first time through, but after you get your gui set up, you can just run portage in the background, in your terminal.

If you find yourself not having the patience, I've installed Arch on a very similar machine and it ran great.

Remember, gentoo will run great once you get it installed. You just might spend some more time compiling software.

The thing about providing a .config file for your kernel it that it's useless. The point of compiling your own kernel is to maximize it for your hardware. Unless we knew exactly what it was... I'm sure you get the point. If you are having problems with the guide, and doing it yourself, on the other hand, come back and ask! I (like many of the Linux cohorts), have compiled many a kernel. Have you looked into any of the patchsets (I know the stock gentoo kernel has one to improve speed), but there's also -nitro and -ck. You might want to look at them and see if they could help you out at all.

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Old 06-06-2006, 06:28 PM   #9
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Well thank you. I know about the compiling time. I guess now i know how to config the kernel. I will write it BEFORE installation , so i will just copy paste or something. And , as i know, when the gentoo system is already installed with manual kernel config it will rus MUCH more faster , then Ubuntu , Fedora , SuSE etc. Since i want to get my old P3 coppermine to work , Gentoo system will be the best choice , at least everybody say so and , well , i know that this Ubuntu precompiled stuff is much more slower and buggy. Just because manually i'll write down my EXACT hardware settings. So , i'm going to install it and run gnome on it. I wont have much time next 1 month to learn linux , but at least i want to and i will. I hope i will not spend much time configuring the kernel , and the compilation time... i will do some stuff , while it compiles. That's a good way to rest apart of Pc and free some time Thank you again.
And ok , I'll ask for help , if i'll need it.

And , speaking about the hardware , i can tell you what hardware i have. It's a standard T21 , but! with 512 mb Ram , 60 GB Hitachi hdd and i have a mini-pci D-link Airplus G630 rev D And i discovered the kernel config for T23 which is practically the same . Same arch + speedstep tech , same lcd. THe only thing is that he has another hdd and video card. And my PCI wireless is the other part of the story , not very hard to configure i hope.

http://gzero.org/t23gentoo.html there is a link for T23 kernel cfg , and makefile and so on. If u have some time , DeusExLinux , u may watch it and tell me , what is to be improved there. But i'll try to do it my self, since i have a Gentoo handbook and I'm not new to computers But , yes, I'm a linux newbie But not as noobish as those SuSE YAST lovers. Win like outofthebox installation and use , but it has also some winlike issues that make a good pc work slower , then it has to And , on a Laptop like mine , you feel this slow-motion really good.

Last edited by [Newbie]; 06-06-2006 at 06:39 PM.
 
Old 06-06-2006, 06:37 PM   #10
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I concur with the Arch recommendation.
My main (desktop) system is Gentoo, but I have gone to Arch for laptops. Very good - will have all the pakages a general user will need.
 
Old 06-06-2006, 06:42 PM   #11
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Gentoo is faster than some precompiled distros indeed, don't expect too much though. Running Gnome on it will zero any speed advantage Gentoo may have. Usually people want to run some user apps too besides OS and GUI. With your hardware there's not much resources left over after Gnome is loaded. On the other hand, with Gentoo and some lightweight WM this lappy will *fly*!
 
Old 06-06-2006, 06:44 PM   #12
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What's wrong with gentoo ? And what's better with arch for lepatops . And how about the speed ? It's no problem for me to wait until it compiles and to install some needed packages. All i want is when i configure everything , it will work fast and clean.
 
Old 06-06-2006, 06:47 PM   #13
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But what you consider a light WM with ,hmm, goodlooking inteface. It's just , you know, like you want some beautiful things around you.Well it can be not beatiful at all , but my philosophy is , that it's ok to configure , use console and do stuff , but your eyes must be pleased , with what u see. That's it
 
Old 06-06-2006, 06:59 PM   #14
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Nowadays even lightest ones like Fluxbox have enough eyecandy. Do a google for "lightweight window manager". XFCE is about heaviest I'd run on this lappy. BTW, I once fried a T23 with heavy compiling, be warned. You may want to scale down the CPU (T21 has Intel Speedstep, right?) and/or use distcc.
 
Old 06-06-2006, 07:29 PM   #15
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Yep the Speedstep on.But i don't want the power economy , since i run my Lappy only on ac. The battery is outdated , and i will not buy the new one , since i'm saving money for a new mac lappy

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