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Old 09-20-2011, 01:21 PM   #46
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In fact, Open Office has now morphed into 'LibreOffice', emphasizing the liberty aspect of freedom.
You are misinformed here, I think. OpenOffice still exists, LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.
 
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Old 09-20-2011, 03:38 PM   #47
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Let's just say that at this point having them experimenting with source codes would be a bridge to far.
i disagree. it seems that you are implying it is best to keep them ignorant ?
 
Old 09-20-2011, 03:58 PM   #48
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So what I need to find software for most is:
- format converters
- cd and dvd rippers, burners, copiers.
i like xvidenc. you can download the source code from sourceforge.net and manually compile it on each pc without an internet connection. it will probably take some time without a package manager since you will be manually downloading/ sneaker-netting/ compiling dependancies.

good luck,
schneidz

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Old 09-20-2011, 04:12 PM   #49
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You are misinformed here, I think. OpenOffice still exists, LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.
Okay, I knew someone would bust me on that choice of wording. The important part of the message is still accurate: libre = free-as-in-speech (as well as free-as-in-beer).

While I'm here, I will chime in the the matter of source code availability and usefulness to the OP's target 'market'. It is true that most people don't/won't/can't use the sources, but to conceal it from the few that do/will/can would be shameful, and totally contrary to the intent of the various GPLs and the Free Software Foundation ideals. Yes, it is possible to make a mess through ignorance, but making mistakes is a natural part of the learning experience. There are plenty of tools for Windows which are intended for mature audiences, such as that electronic-tidy-bowl 'Norton Utilities'** (does that even still exist?), and which can be at least as destructive in the hands of the un-initiated. I do respect the well-meaning intentions of the OP, but removing barriers should be considered a good thing. To perpetuate barriers could easily be interpreted as a form of tyranny.

--- rod.

** Originally coined by Swain, Michael; Dr. Dobbs Journal.

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Old 09-20-2011, 06:05 PM   #50
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So, actually if somebody talks to you about free speech you assume that this is the right to speak without paying for it?
YES, you don't run the risk of being...fined.

I asked you to give your definition of freeware,
not of the older expression free software (foundation).
It is the word 'freeware' that I used and was criticized for.
I explained why and how I use it. If you think I am in error you must give me your definition of that word...or agree with me
Google 'freeware' and you will see what the world understands that to be.

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Old 09-20-2011, 11:42 PM   #51
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I explained why and how I use it. If you think I am in error you must give me your definition of that word...or agree with me
You were given that definition more than one time here by other members already.

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Google 'freeware' and you will see what the world understands that to be.
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Google 'freeware' and you will see what the Windows world understands that to be.
And that is the point. If you are asking for Linux software you are not longer in the Windows world. The kind of software you are asking for is almost not existent on free (as in free speech) operating systems, just because we have a better model, named free software.
You should free (wow, another definition of that word, nothing to do with costs) your mind from the Windows world if you want to promote Linux.
 
Old 09-21-2011, 08:16 AM   #52
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With 90% market share, statistically windows ís the world.

Linux seeks to overtake windows, fine.
But to introduce confusing vocabulary is definitely not helping.
Windows was before Linux and introduced the word 'freeware'.
(The older 'free software' is not the same thing)
And even if this were not the case, numbers count and 90% market share is a decisive number.

If you insist on using this word differently then the (windows)world does, on behalf of the Linux community (!?), you are promoting confusion and thus an unnecessary barrier, impeding the growth the Linux community seeks.

Isolating and separating 'Minority speak' is not the way.

No need to agree, let's leave it at this.
 
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Old 09-21-2011, 09:49 AM   #53
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@TobiSGD
With 90% market share, statistically windows ís the world.
You are ignoring the server and mobile market.

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Linux seeks to overtake windows, fine.
It doesn't.

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But to introduce confusing vocabulary is definitely not helping.
Windows was before Linux and introduced the word 'freeware'.
Windows has nothing to do with the origins of freeware.

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(The older 'free software' is not the same thing)
And even if this were not the case, numbers count and 90% market share is a decisive number.
Both existed before Windows and GNU/Linux.

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If you insist on using this word differently then the (windows)world does, on behalf of the Linux community (!?), you are promoting confusion and thus an unnecessary barrier, impeding the growth the Linux community seeks.
You're ignoring all the facts about licensing.
Your point of view isn't even legal.

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Isolating and separating 'Minority speak' is not the way.
Is wikipedia a platform for "Minority speak"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware
 
Old 09-21-2011, 02:00 PM   #54
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@jens
thanks for the wiki links, they fully confirm my definitions of freeware and free software!


Where I said 'Linux seeks to overtake windows, fine.'
I rephrase: Linux competes with windows and dreams over overtaking it.

Where you said 'Your point of view isn't even legal.'
I am merely expressing an opinion, I'd like to think we still have freedom of religion/opinion/speech.
As for legalities, the legal system is a privately owned for profit system that Americans are still largely unaware of, and as such completely unlawful!
In other words, the legal system is part of a system of slavery that causes the demise of our western civilisation.
In other words II : do not comply!

Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZzgG...1&feature=fvwp (skip 1st 25 sec of music)
and learn how to use this knowledge here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjv2...eature=related

This truth shall set ye free!
Search for 'free man of the land'

For the rest: I don't care and I choose not to agree

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Old 09-21-2011, 03:11 PM   #55
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@jens
thanks for the wiki links, they fully confirm my definitions of freeware and free software!


Where I said 'Linux seeks to overtake windows, fine.'
I rephrase: Linux competes with windows and dreams over overtaking it.

Where you said 'Your point of view isn't even legal.'
I am merely expressing an opinion, I'd like to think we still have freedom of religion/opinion/speech.
As for legalities, the legal system is a privately owned for profit system that Americans are still largely unaware of, and as such completely unlawful!
In other words, the legal system is part of a system of slavery that causes the demise of our western civilisation.
In other words II : do not comply!

Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZzgG...1&feature=fvwp (skip 1st 25 sec of music)
and learn how to use this knowledge here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzjv2...eature=related

This truth shall set ye free!
Search for 'free man of the land'

For the rest: I don't care and I choose not to agree
Simple answer:

Dont use Linux (or other gpl software) and don't promote it as a stupid warez platform.
Your entire way of thinking is extremely selfish and will not benefit anyone (except yourself).
 
Old 09-21-2011, 05:35 PM   #56
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1. I provided some links to info that is VERY relevant to today's crisis and explain at the same time another unexpected aspect of legalities, which put your worries about it in a very different perspective.
2. I choose not to care about your dissecting my posts and comment on every sentence. Am I not entitled to that??

Therefore
1. I am just being helpful
2. I exercise my right not to care about my posts being dissected (especially since it was getting to much off topic) and to not agree with your view.

There is no selfishness in that.
There is service in it


You are free to ignore the links, but why the anger? Anger inhibits clear thinking.
This platform is not the place for that.
Get over the fact that not everybody agrees with you.
And again, thanks for the wiki links.

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Old 09-22-2011, 08:13 AM   #57
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Linux is Open Source Free (as in beer) Software; NOT to be confused with, so called, FreeWare, which is, basically, a way to con you into buying software produced by that Company!

To keep referring to 'Our Operating System' as 'Freeware' IS AN INSULT! Please desist.

Now to your question; at your home, using your Windows machine download the full Debian distro of 'Squeeze'. I suggest the 32bit version. This will give you 8 dvd's worth of 'free open source software', burn it to disc at a slow rate (i.e. 2x/4x), as this will make the media more reliable.

Take the 8 dvd's with you to Africa, once there copy them onto a hard disc, as a local backup, make new discs & distribute those newly burned discs to responsible people, so that they can allow extra software to be installed onto people's machines.

Good luck,

(Remember: 'Open Source Software' is not 'Freeware', that way people will help you.)

Download via http://www.debian.org/
Get info from http://wiki.debian.org/
Get help from http://forums.debian.net/
 
Old 09-22-2011, 09:37 AM   #58
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From "freeware" Wikipedia entry:
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The Free Software Foundation (FSF) has formally defined the term "Free software" in 1986 and requested that people avoid referring to "Free Software" as "freeware".[6][4] Members of FOSS community believe that "freedom to use" implies that the end user is free to run, study, modify, and distribute the software with minimal restriction.
I would agree with your freedom to call the software Freeware, Potatoware or whatever takes your fancy but..., please be aware that some words mean different things in different places...

Pants = Overware in the US
Pants = Underware in the UK (You'll note that I'm keeping to the somethingware concept )

In Windowsland, "Freeware" means a binary program which is usable with no financial cost (unless you upgrade to the "Pro" version)

In Linuxland, "Freeware"... doesn't exist, as ALL programs are free as above: "free to run, study, modify, and distribute the software with minimal restriction." including zero cost.

Er... Please note this is a Linux and not a Windows forum.

Play Bonny!

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Old 09-22-2011, 09:59 AM   #59
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It's time to focus your attention to the original question:
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is there a place where I can find linux software and get it by simply hitting a download button?
To avoid further discussions I've substituted the freeware term with linux software. Please, calm down and focus your attention to the question.

No one mentioned sourceforge until now. You can find plenty of interesting open source projects there and they are available with a single click (the download links point to another page where you have simply to wait 5 second before the download actually starts). Not to mention the third-party repositories of the most popular distributions, e.g. Packman for opensuse, the already mentioned rpmforge for CentOS and so on...

Edit: actually sourceforge was mentioned by schneidz in post #48. Sorry, I missed that at a first glance.

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Old 09-22-2011, 11:59 AM   #60
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@ snanders

From "freeware" Wikipedia entry:

I would agree with your freedom to call the software Freeware, Potatoware or whatever takes your fancy but..., please be aware that some words mean different things in different places...

Pants = Overware in the US
Pants = Underware in the UK (You'll note that I'm keeping to the somethingware concept )

In Windowsland, "Freeware" means a binary program which is usable with no financial cost (unless you upgrade to the "Pro" version)

In Linuxland, "Freeware"... doesn't exist, as ALL programs are free as above: "free to run, study, modify, and distribute the software with minimal restriction." including zero cost.

Er... Please note this is a Linux and not a Windows forum.

Play Bonny!
Hi Soady,
I agree completely with your explanation. I tried earlier on but failed miserably. In any event "pants" is a good example but my all time favourite of this ilk is "fanny".
ciao,
jdk
 
  


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