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Old 11-23-2009, 10:31 PM   #1
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file size questions

create a empty file,but this file size is 4k
[root@joy tmp]# touch joy
[root@joy tmp]# ll -sh joy
4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 30 17:23 joy
[root@joy tmp]# stat joy
File: `joy'
Size: 0 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 4096 regular empty file
Device: 803h/2051d Inode: 1421279 Links: 1
Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
Access: 2009-10-30 17:23:50.000000000 +0800
Modify: 2009-10-30 17:23:50.000000000 +0800
Change: 2009-10-30 17:23:50.000000000 +0800
 
Old 11-24-2009, 12:06 AM   #2
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As far as I know, no filesystem will take a block to store an empty file, are you sure you used touch and that you didn't edit the file and then saved it? If the file has a single byte inside, that's enough to make it significant, and hence, it will take a whole fs block (what stat calls IO Block).

What fs are you using?
 
Old 11-24-2009, 12:45 AM   #3
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no i don`t edit the file.i used ext3 fs.
[root@joy ~]# uname -r
2.6.18-92.el5
[root@joy ~]# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 8589 MB, 8589934592 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1044 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 14 144 1052257+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda3 145 1044 7229250 83 Linux
[root@joy ~]# cd /tmp/
[root@joy tmp]# rm joy
rm: remove regular empty file `joy'? y
[root@joy tmp]# touch joy
[root@joy tmp]# ll -sh joy
4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 30 17:46 joy
[root@joy tmp]# stat joy
File: `joy'
Size: 0 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 4096 regular empty file
Device: 803h/2051d Inode: 1421279 Links: 1
Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
Access: 2009-10-30 17:46:40.000000000 +0800
Modify: 2009-10-30 17:46:40.000000000 +0800
Change: 2009-10-30 17:46:40.000000000 +0800
[root@joy tmp]#
 
Old 11-24-2009, 01:45 AM   #4
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dddddddddddd
 
Old 11-24-2009, 10:29 PM   #5
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I think the inode entry in the dir inode has to point to something(!), so it 'reserves' the initial (4k) file block, even if it's empty.
 
Old 11-24-2009, 10:37 PM   #6
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I tested this same stuff (also on ext3) and empty files take 0 bytes, as far as I know it has always been the same for me. So I am not sure what to think.

Code:
$ cd /home/i92guboj/media/conceptronic/
$ mount|grep concep
/dev/sdc1 on /mnt/conceptronic1 type ext3 (rw,noexec,nodev,noatime)
$ touch foo
$ ls -lsh foo
0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 25 05:36 foo
$ stat foo
  File: `foo'
  Size: 0               Blocks: 0          IO Block: 4096   regular empty file
Device: 821h/2081d      Inode: 8558        Links: 1
Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)
Access: 2009-11-25 05:36:07.000000000 +0100
Modify: 2009-11-25 05:36:07.000000000 +0100
Change: 2009-11-25 05:36:07.000000000 +0100
 
Old 11-24-2009, 10:40 PM   #7
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why are you using
Code:
ll -sh joy
insted of
Code:
ls joy
?
 
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Old 11-24-2009, 11:37 PM   #8
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I tested this same stuff (also on ext3) and empty files take 0 bytes, as far as I know it has always been the same for me. So I am not sure what to think.

Code:
$ cd /home/i92guboj/media/conceptronic/
$ mount|grep concep
/dev/sdc1 on /mnt/conceptronic1 type ext3 (rw,noexec,nodev,noatime)
$ touch foo
$ ls -lsh foo
0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 25 05:36 foo
$ stat foo
  File: `foo'
  Size: 0               Blocks: 0          IO Block: 4096   regular empty file
Device: 821h/2081d      Inode: 8558        Links: 1
Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (    0/    root)
Access: 2009-11-25 05:36:07.000000000 +0100
Modify: 2009-11-25 05:36:07.000000000 +0100
Change: 2009-11-25 05:36:07.000000000 +0100
you edit foo file.
$echo i > foo
and stat foo.
 
Old 11-24-2009, 11:39 PM   #9
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why are you using
Code:
ll -sh joy
insted of
Code:
ls joy
?
I want know length and size for the file
 
Old 11-25-2009, 12:03 AM   #10
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Quote:
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you edit foo file.
$echo i > foo
and stat foo.
I don't understand what are you wanting to say with that.

If you edit the file then the file length might not be zero anymore, it depends on what your editor is doing. "touch" by default creates an zero-length file which shouldn't take any block in your disk.
 
Old 11-25-2009, 12:20 AM   #11
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I don't understand what are you wanting to say with that.

If you edit the file then the file length might not be zero anymore, it depends on what your editor is doing. "touch" by default creates an zero-length file which shouldn't take any block in your disk.
i think so.but my system create a empty file take 8 block in my disk.
 
Old 11-25-2009, 12:21 AM   #12
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[root@joy tmp]# touch joy
[root@joy tmp]# ll -sh joy
4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Oct 30 17:46 joy
[root@joy tmp]# stat joy
File: `joy'
Size: 0 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 4096 regular empty file
Device: 803h/2051d Inode: 1421279 Links: 1
Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
Access: 2009-10-30 17:46:40.000000000 +0800
Modify: 2009-10-30 17:46:40.000000000 +0800
Change: 2009-10-30 17:46:40.000000000 +0800
[root@joy tmp]#
 
Old 11-25-2009, 12:42 AM   #13
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what about
Code:
ls -s -h joy
 
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Old 11-25-2009, 12:45 AM   #14
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what about
Code:
ls -s -h joy
[root@WOLK-TECH tmp]# ls -s -h joy
4.0K joy
[root@WOLK-TECH tmp]#
 
Old 11-25-2009, 02:11 AM   #15
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because your system's the size of default block is 4K,every file will take up one block at least.
 
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