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Old 03-04-2016, 02:41 PM   #16
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IDE is not old yet. I bought this motherboard in 2009, what ancient hardware could it be!
So you have a 7 year old motherboard, that has a port on it that was already obsolete at the time and was only placed there for backwards compatibility with devices that had basically been out of production for several years by then. It's a 10 year old technology, you can't buy IDE drives anymore, you haven't been able to buy them for probably longer than your motherboard has been around. The last time I bought an IDE drive was in 2005 (I think, could have been even earlier than that, either way it died a fiery death in 2009 and I haven't seen one since).

As I said before, Fedora is a bleeding edge distro, and IDE is ancient. Bleeding edge distros don't support ancient hardware.

CentOS 6 was released in 2011, it's relatively close to the same age as your hardware, which is why support is much better. It's also not a bleeding edge distro, and is designed to support older hardware.

I bet if you installed Fedora 11 (about the same age as your motherboard) it would work.

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Old 03-04-2016, 02:56 PM   #17
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Fedora SUCKS big time!
You kids get off my lawn!
 
Old 03-04-2016, 03:23 PM   #18
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It's a 10 year old technology, you can't buy IDE drives anymore, you haven't been able to buy them for probably longer than your motherboard has been around.
They are still readily available. A quick search on newegg.com shows 95 choices. Amazon's search function makes it hard to exclude related products from the list of drives, but there are hundreds there. There are plenty of antique systems around that still need those drives.
 
Old 03-04-2016, 03:24 PM   #19
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They are still readily available. A quick search on newegg.com shows 95 choices. Amazon's search function makes it hard to exclude related products from the list of drives, but there are hundreds there. There are plenty of antique systems around that still need those drives.
Holy crap you're right, learn something new every day! The last machine we had that actually used IDE drives was put out of service some 5 years ago...didn't realize they were still available.

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Old 03-04-2016, 03:27 PM   #20
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I haven't bought an IDE drive for a while, but I still run quite a few and keep a pile of pull-outs for the future.

But I had not actually realized that support for them was no longer near-universal.
 
Old 03-04-2016, 03:27 PM   #21
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If you wanted a drive that was actually made in the last 5 to 10 years, the list would almost certainly be a lot shorter.
 
Old 03-04-2016, 03:47 PM   #22
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An IDE drive snatched out of a retired Emachine saved my bacon last month when our Windows 2K Server's RAID controller (on motherboard) bit the dust. Was only able to salvage that machine by using the IDE drive slaved off the CD-ROM cable and restoring an Acronis backup. I have a new found love for all the old Emachines we have stacked in the warehouse with their "outdated" IDE drives inside. That old IDE drive saved us about 35 grand, as that's what it would have cost us to replace that ancient machine because of the proprietary software it runs. Support for that software ended years ago and our only option is a complete upgrade or keep it running. It does what we need it to do, so we keep it running, thanks to that old IDE drive.

Save those old machines, you just never know.
 
Old 03-04-2016, 04:50 PM   #23
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There is a reason for distros like puppy, slitaz, lubuntu and etc. They're designed for older hardware.
 
Old 03-04-2016, 04:56 PM   #24
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An IDE drive snatched out of a retired Emachine saved my bacon last month when our Windows 2K Server's RAID controller (on motherboard) bit the dust. Was only able to salvage that machine by using the IDE drive slaved off the CD-ROM cable and restoring an Acronis backup. I have a new found love for all the old Emachines we have stacked in the warehouse with their "outdated" IDE drives inside. That old IDE drive saved us about 35 grand, as that's what it would have cost us to replace that ancient machine because of the proprietary software it runs. Support for that software ended years ago and our only option is a complete upgrade or keep it running. It does what we need it to do, so we keep it running, thanks to that old IDE drive.

Save those old machines, you just never know.
I sincerely hope this is a home machine. Otherwise words like "negligence" spring to mind.
 
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If you feel Fedora (exploitative) then you have two easy choices. One is to use a different distro. Two is to create a fix for your system.

Well, three, really. You can try a different OS.

I just don't see how bashing Fedora helps your cause or case.

I get the feeling that you are booting to a bios choice of usb when you should be booting to a bios choice of hard drive order.

LQ is here to help you before you throw in the towel. Why didn't you see if we might have a good guess on problem?

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Old 03-04-2016, 08:55 PM   #26
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>I sincerely hope this is a home machine. Otherwise words like "negligence" spring to mind.

In the print industry there are a lot of old machines running proprietary software. You keep those machines running as long as you can because the replacement costs are huge for a small company in a dying industry. It's all about survival. Sorry for the OT, but the word negligence struck a nerve and I felt it deserved a reply.

For the record, and to remain on topic, I love Fedora 23. I use it exclusively on my home desktop and laptop.

Long live Fedora. Have a great weekend everyone.

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Old 03-04-2016, 09:25 PM   #27
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See fedora for what it is, a convenient way for Red Hat to maintain its licence obligations and carry on.

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Old 03-04-2016, 09:27 PM   #28
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FWIW, I dug an old 40GB IDE disk drive out of the depths of my closet, installed it as the only disk in the one machine I have that still has an IDE interface, and booted Fedora-Live-Workstation-i686-23-10.iso from a DVD (the machine won't boot from a USB flash drive). It booted fine, albeit slowly, and performed an install to that disk with no problem at all.

Now restoring that machine back to its normal configuration.
 
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Old 03-04-2016, 09:39 PM   #29
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In my experience, Fedora works. I choose not to use it because I don't like some of the choices Fedora has made.

If a user chooses not to troubleshoot error messages, that's also a matter of choice, but it's the user's choice. It's not a reflection on Fedora.
 
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Old 03-04-2016, 10:37 PM   #30
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In my experience, Fedora works. I choose not to use it because I don't like some of the choices Fedora has made.

If a user chooses not to troubleshoot error messages, that's also a matter of choice, but it's the user's choice. It's not a reflection on Fedora.
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