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Old 01-13-2007, 03:46 PM   #16
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Simple, Debian is unquestionably the best!

Seriously though, sometimes things work better with older gear. Did you install debian Sarge, or Etch? If Sarge, you got an older 2.4.27 kernel. Maybe the problems you were having with the newer kernels didn't happen yet.

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Old 01-13-2007, 05:42 PM   #17
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not sure about if it is sarge or etch. It was a web instal of 3.1 and I am pretty sure it is the newest kernel.
 
Old 01-13-2007, 05:44 PM   #18
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No, and nope! 3.1 is sarge. It is far from the newest kernel. It installs 2.4.27 by default, and if you installed with the paramater linux26 typed in, then it gave you 2.6.8.2. Neither of those are close to new, which is 2.6.19.1.

You had a lucky happenstance where an older kernel suported your hardware better than current.

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Old 01-13-2007, 08:12 PM   #19
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Ok, Is it possible that a bios update would allow me to run a newer kernel? Or is it possible to run Fedora core 5 or 6 on the older 2.4.27. Also does the kernel that was installed by debian have support for laptops and their batteries? Because after I booted it said that I was on AC power regardless if the AC was acctually connected.
 
Old 01-13-2007, 08:35 PM   #20
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A BIOS update is not likely to help with a new kernel. You should of course be running the latest BIOS offered for your machine, but it is unlikely that doing the BIOS update would do that. It is of course worth trying.

You could try to downgrade FC 5 or 6 to 2.4.27, but you'd still have to install it with its recent kernel, then attempt to downgrade. That isn't an easy thing to do, and certainly don't suggest that you try it.

It is quite possible that the install didn't add the modules you need to show power state on your laptop.

2.4.27 isn't some magic that makes your laptop work. It is much more likely that something that isn't in that kernel allows your laptop to operate. As you're already seeing, older kernels aren't much fun.

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Old 01-14-2007, 09:13 AM   #21
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I had a chance to check my kernel and it was 2.4.27 just like you said. I went ahead and updated to 2.6.8.3 and now I am having the exact same problem I was having with the other distributions. Are there many kernels between 2.4.27 and 2.6.8.3? Maybe of the ones in between will work better for me. Anyway, time to go figure out how to revert to the previous kernel.
 
Old 01-14-2007, 12:12 PM   #22
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When you reboot, grub comes up, and gives you the choice of what kernel to boot. 2.4.27 is still there, so use the arrow keys to select it. The newest version of the 2.4 kernel is 2.4.33, which is available from kernel.org. You seem to have some hardware problem with something in the new kernel.

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Old 01-14-2007, 04:51 PM   #23
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I thought that would work too but grub just boots whatever the default kernel is, it wouldn't let me change it. Its ok though, I already did a fresh reinstall to fix it.
 
Old 01-14-2007, 04:59 PM   #24
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Cool. Did you have a funny keyboard? I've never heard of not being able to select which kernel, unless the keyboard somehow wasn't connected.

The reinstall is a strong tool. It's fine to use, but there probably was a solution that would have taken substantially less time.

In any case, good luck with the reinstall.

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Old 01-14-2007, 05:16 PM   #25
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no doubt, but the install takes less than an hour so it really doesn't take that long either =). And I dont have any extras plugged into the laptop atm and the "built in" keyboard is definitely connected.
 
Old 01-14-2007, 05:20 PM   #26
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That still is somewhat odd. The arrow keys on the bottom right should always work on the grub screen. There is never a mouse, but the arrow keys on the keyboard should always rock it.

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Old 01-14-2007, 09:19 PM   #27
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Well, now that I have Debian installed and I need to know how to update to kernel 2.4.33 and how to figure out what driver I need to install, do I continue on this thread or go make a new one in the debian forums?
 
Old 01-14-2007, 09:27 PM   #28
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The kernel part is easy/hard. It is easy to got to http://kernel.org and to click on the F to the right of 2.4.34, which gives you this link - http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v...2.4.34.tar.bz2

Problem is, as a newbie, making your own kernel is not at all easy. There are documents all over the net telling you how to do it, but be forwarned, I failed in my first 5 or so attempts to do it, and that number is probably low.

You could use apt-get, synaptic or whatever to see if debian stable has a package for the 2.4.33 or 2.4.34 kernels. A search like
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apt-cache search 2.4.33
will look for any mention of 2.4.33 in the repositories.

What is the driver you are talking about? You only need a driver for hardware that isn't working. What isn't working?

I would suggest a new thread, just so anybody searching in the future doesn't encounter a 100 post thread covering every topic under the sun.

You can also keep posting here if the mood strikes.

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Old 01-14-2007, 09:45 PM   #29
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well video and wireless card definitely need to have drivers installed, I am sure there are more but I don't know how to tell yet lol. I am going to start a new thread in the distributions specific forum.
 
  


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