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Old 12-14-2006, 04:53 PM   #1
t0mmy07
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Unhappy Errrrr, some simple questions!


Hi

My first post and I did not think it would be this basic or seeming simple but it is - I am lost before I start!

Having played around with a few of the available distros I eventually settled on Mepis and good choice it seems so far. However one of the other distros used Emelfm as a file manager which I like as it reminded of PCtools from dos days...

So I download it .. that raises the first question - where do I put it ?? Some literature says to /etc, others say to /home or /user or where?? It ended up in /home which seemed safe but what is the general rule of thumb on these things?

Ok, so I try and do something with the file emelfm-0.9.2.tar.gz but not a lot happens in Konqueror if I click on it, other than a bunch of files appear with extensions such as .c and .h - what are those?
If I click on the one marked readme, under the installation section is just says "make" or "make install" - how ? Now I thought if I tried that using the Tools shell command in Konq that would be a clever step, but no, all I get is a "Executing shell commands works only on local directories" message - how do I get around that one and why does that appear?

I'm lost!!Can somebody please explain what I should be doing - if there were examples of installation that would be great. Thanks

And, finally asking for trouble!!I want a web cam to work with aMSN (which works fine) and I installed that without any trouble.. so having found two possible cam drivers (quickcam and saillard) which I have downloaded I have to admit I find the instructions beyond me, almost as though they seem to start with the first chapter missing! Could anybody get me through this problem as well.

I must say that I feel a bit of a pratt asking all this simple stuff after a long time zooming around dos\windows and it's not as though I have not tried to find out very much so...
 
Old 12-14-2006, 05:12 PM   #2
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Compiling Programs from Source might be a good place to start.
 
Old 12-14-2006, 05:32 PM   #3
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1/ A .deb package seems to exist for emelfm, it's certainly an easier way to install it on your system (ie. click "install" in your package manager). (A package contains all the information for correctly and properly install a package on your system (location, other files required, some config, etc.).

2/ The file emelfm-0.9.2.tar.gz is a compressed(.gz) tarball(.tar) (tarball : many files packed in one file) that contains the source code for the application. So you must compile it before use, this is what the "make" and "make install" are all about. More info on eg.
http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/softinstall.html
These commands must be issued in a console (looks like a DOS screen.

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I want a web cam to work with aMSN (which works fine) and I installed that without any trouble.. so having found two possible cam drivers (quickcam and saillard) which I have downloaded I have to admit I find the instructions beyond me, almost as though they seem to start with the first chapter missing! Could anybody get me through this problem as well.
Can you plug your webcam and issue "dmesg | tail" in a console and post the output?

Last edited by pauland; 12-14-2006 at 05:39 PM.
 
Old 12-14-2006, 05:58 PM   #4
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You are already way ahead of many Linux newcomers. All I can add here is: Don't try a do everything at once. For example, get comforatable with SW that you can get thru the package manager--then branch out into other forms of installation.
 
Old 12-15-2006, 02:24 AM   #5
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addendum to the 'compiling programs from source' instructions:

1. when you're downloading the source file (emelfm-0.9.2.tar.gz) it doesn't matter much where you put it. you can just download it to your home directory (like, in my case, /home/badzmaru).

i have a folder called "installer" which is where i like to download things. (/home/badzmaru/installers). that keeps them out of the way of the rest of my files.

remember wherever you put that .tar.gz file, it's not the final place where EmelFM will be installed. That comes later - you're just dealing with the source.

2. double clicking in konqueror uncompresses. that's the same as the "tar xvf" step in the tutorials. sometimes double-clicking doesn't actually uncompress, it just lets you look inside the archive. in konqueror, you should be able to right-click on it, which gives a popup menu. go to Extract->Extract Here. it should make a folder called emelfm-0.9.2

3. open that folder. all the .c and .h files are the source code for that file manager. good try on looking at the readme, and on using the "execute shell command" - someone should find a way to make that work, it'd be cool. but instead, do this:

4. while you're in that directory, go to Tools->Open Terminal.

5. (optional) read and enjoy tutorials on using the linux terminal

6. compile it:

make

make install

(or, 'sudo make install', since you'll need root privilege to install it).
 
Old 12-15-2006, 02:29 AM   #6
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about webcams:

the driver might already come with your distro. but if not, the compiling and installing process is identical to what you have to do for compiling and installing emelFM.

i forgot to mention: many tutorials for building from source will have 3 steps:

./configure
make
sudo make install

configure is used to adapt the compilation for your specific computer, and lets the whole process be really flexible - the same source code could be compiled in linux, mac os, solaris, etc.

some software, like emelFM actually, doesn't have that step. skip it and go straight to 'make'.
 
Old 12-15-2006, 03:14 AM   #7
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OMG

What an amazing response..... nothing like this happens seems to happen elsewhere!!

Thank you all, I shall digest this lot and (I'm sure) will be back with more questions
 
Old 12-15-2006, 06:13 PM   #8
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I will try and reply in the order of the previous posts.

rickh - Thanks.I did try several searches\sites and my questions are here as I could not find what I wanted elsewhere.

The compling programs piece is helpful, but in turn raises some points which, to those used to Linux will be obvious, but sadly not to me!!
For instance using the given example after unzipping and changing to the directory - is this done via a console window?
Then it says change to the directory in order to issue the /configure && make && commands - well, what program am I now meant to be using to change to the said directory and by what means do I issue the commands configue && make ?
What does && mean ?


pauland - Thanks. Now I know about Deb packages!!! And have even successfully installed emelfm!
One point though, when using a Deb package is it always safe to assume that the installer will put it in the right place, for instance this is where emelfm ended up as if by magic usr/x11r/bin/emelfm - is that about right? Do I need to worry
about these things or just let it all happen?
Oh, I had already been to the tuxfiles site and printed stuff out a good site to begin with!

As for the web cam, this is the output you asked for.... hope you can help -

root@1[~]# dmesg | tail
[17179606.792000] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 193
[17179606.792000] [drm] Initialized radeon 1.24.0 20060225 on minor 0
[17179607.820000] agpgart: Found an AGP
2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0.
[17179607.820000] agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 1x
mode
[17179607.820000] agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 1x mode
[17179608.128000] [drm]
Setting GART location based on new memory map
[17179608.128000] [drm] Loading R200 Microcode
[17179608.128000] [drm] writeback test succeeded in 1 usecs
[17179640.460000] NET: Registered protocol family
4
[17179640.724000] NET: Registered protocol family 5
root@1[~]#

pixellany - Thanks. I appreciate what you say, I just feel if I can get to grips with software installation and a few basic commands I will slow down and play!


skullmunky - thanks.I have set up a downloads type folder, it makes sense as you say. However as regards Konqueror -
[QUOTE: double clicking in konqueror uncompresses. that's the same as the "tar xvf" step in the tutorials. sometimes double-clicking doesn't actually uncompress, it just lets you look inside the archive. in konqueror, you should be able to
right-click on it, which gives a popup menu. go to Extract->Extract Here. it should make a folder called emelfm-0.9.2]

I can only seem to look inside the archive and the Extract option is not on the menu, which is maybe why I was getting a bit fraught plus the fact I now know the Shell command doesnt work either!! And, that I think is why my webcam installation has also stalled, I 'll have another go at it....

Thanks to all, I hope to get there... and will no doubt be back soon
 
Old 12-15-2006, 09:20 PM   #9
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You use the cd and other commands from the terminal (command line interface). Although it is increasingly possible to use Linux without using the command line, some activities such as compiling software from source code require some facility with the terminal so it would be good to get used to it. You might find the Rute tutorial helpful (but don't feel like you have to learn every little thing it covers just to be able to use Linux).

When you install a package then the location of the installed files is set up by the package to be correct. Chapter 17 of the Rute guide will give you some hints for where things go on a Linux system.

I don't see anything that obviously looks like a webcam in the dmesg output. Did you plug it in right before issuing the dmesg? If not unplug it and replug it and then try again (dmesg prints out a log of kernel messages so you just saw the last few in what you posted, which apparently did not include any info on the webcam). It would also help if you posted the make and model.
 
Old 12-15-2006, 10:08 PM   #10
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t0mmy07

You might do well to read this
http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.p...lling_Software
The easiest way to install emelfm would have been method 1)synaptic.
That item is in the default repositories. Or at least it is if you are using Mepis 6.0.

If you are not sure what a "repository" is the wiki explains that as well I'm sure. Lots of good info at the wiki BUT some of it applies to earlier Mepis versions.

About "sudo" as mentioned by skullmunky. Mepis doesn't do sudo. Well it can if you setup the machine that way (just to confuse things a little further) . Let's just say for now it doesn't do sudo.

About your webcam? No idea. Not to worry, there's lots of helpful members here.

Oh! And welcome to the forums!

Edit/ A little tip on using synaptic. In the synaptic window there is a title bar marked "package". This is more than a title bar. Give it a left click and start typing the name of the needed app. It is a built-in quick search feature. Not obvious but very handy.

Last edited by muddywaters; 12-16-2006 at 03:11 AM.
 
Old 12-16-2006, 11:08 AM   #11
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btmiller - thanks - I think the Rute stuffs looks like good all round source of info.
Regards the web cam, I have as suggested copied out all the dmesg info, but if I were to post it here I fear it would go on for miles! Do you want me do that, or if you were feeling very helpful (!) I could email it to you as a text file? The cam is a Logitech quickcam sphere MP which is the 1.3mp one, maybe the same as the fusion or something. If that looks a dead loss,I do have a basic sort of Logiteck Quickcam.

I've had a brainwave.. I will copy the dmesg from the other cam as well....
If you can help on this I would be very grateful.

ps..just added hot off the pc... the "cheap" webcam works (poor picture though) with Camstream, whereas the 'MP good one' does not. When tried with aMSN between another pc on Windows (spit) the MP cam does nothing where the other will go so far as to connect and display the Logitech logo but just gives a blank (not black) box where the pic should be... is that of any help?


And, muddywaters - thanks,that's a lot of good info all at about my level!!! There are just so many sites out there and you guys seem to have distilled it down for us newbies!

Tell me, as regards your name 'muddywaters' is that connected with a certain Mr Morganfield .... if so, I have great interest in country blues!

Last edited by t0mmy07; 12-16-2006 at 11:56 AM.
 
Old 12-17-2006, 07:46 AM   #12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by t0mmy07
Tell me, as regards your name 'muddywaters' is that connected with a certain Mr Morganfield .... if so, I have great interest in country blues!
Winnipeg (see location to the left) in english = muddy waters. Also a big fan of the late-great Mr.Morganfield. It's a happy coincidence. At times that user name also describes my experiences in linux.

Unfortunately that exact webcam doesn't show up in this forum's HCL. If you do manage to get it working, adding an entry there would be a nice thing to do. Never owned one of those gadgets myself. If I posted my photo here you would understand.

Last edited by muddywaters; 12-17-2006 at 08:41 AM.
 
Old 12-17-2006, 04:35 PM   #13
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Thanks for the help and if I do (ever) get it to work I will certainly share the know-how (sic) !!!

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