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Old 03-15-2014, 10:00 PM   #1
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Download Size Limit for Iso File?


Well, I don't know whether this is a Newbie thing or if it belongs in General as mentioned.
I am at a basic impasse--I have an old computer (on Windows XP) that fails the test to upgrade to 8.1. I'd like to convert to Linux but I haven't had any success downloading a complete iso file. My first, most basic question is, will such a download even work on XP? I understand there are file size limits for downloads but I don't know how big is allowed or, for that matter how big the iso file for Linux Mint (32bit with the Mate interface) is.

Thanks for any help.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 10:13 PM   #2
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Welcome to LQ!

If the computer ran XP it will probably do OK with most current Linuxes.

An install DVD will typically be a bit over 4GB (I don't know exactly for Mint, but expect 4GB+).

I have not used XP but I am not aware of any size limit and would be surprised to find it had one. Do you have enough space on your hard drive for the download? What exactly is happening that you cannot complete the download? Post any error messages here and someone will be able to help.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 10:29 PM   #3
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I downloaded and burned my first Linux *.iso on XP.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 11:08 PM   #4
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Hi Astrogeek,

Yes Linux has a reputation of being easy on the resources so I felt it would be a way of "saving" an old beast.
I haven't even nearly filled my hard disk so I don't think that's the problem.

Each attempt to download runs along fairly normal looking at first then stops and does something with a box that does something else (very short) and vanishes ending the overall download and leaving me with a file (about 500MB) that gives an MD5 checksum that isn't even close to right. I don't do very many reps because I only have a limited number of GBs per month. If try again I'll try to get a screen shot of the "error" so I can read it.

I understand that the iso file can be smaller than the OS installed but I really don't know what I should expect the size of either one to be. I did find a mention of the
later Vista version having a download limit of 2GB (I wouldn't think XP would be bigger) so if the iso file is more than 2GB, I guess I'll have to do something else.

Hi Frankbell,

That's encouraging.
 
Old 03-15-2014, 11:52 PM   #5
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There isn't a limit (that I have ever heard of, seen or could think of a reason for) to what you can download but there could be a limit on the size of files you can store on your disk. Do you know whether your hard drive is formatted using FAT32 or NTFS? If you have FAT32 your maximum file size is, from what I recall, just under 4GB so you could have problems with a DVD image. If you have a reasonably modern internet connection I suggest you try downloading a "live CD" and trying that.
 
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:42 AM   #6
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The network connection is probably resetting and stopping the transfer in the process. There is a wget for windows and wget allows "continue-ing" so you can pick up downloads where they left off.

Some browsers have a pause and start option in the download manager which can help complete the download. A lot of routers default to 3600 seconds before the key shifts (WPA), which is basically once an hour. You might up that if you have control of that. None of which may help, but it's a starting point.

I don't know if iso's have a total size limit, but the iso filesystem has a limit where no "single" file in that filesystem can be > 4GB. But the iso for CDs cap at 650MB or 700MB depending on medium, and 4.7GB or 8GB something for DVDs. Blurays are generally 25GB consumer and 50GB commercial. I suspect more of a network issue than a size issue. At least you're not on dialup, 15MB and hour and 5 hour max connection time.

$ wget -c <URL>
or
$ wget -c -i <file of URL(s)>

is how I do big files typically. At least those without a torrent method of acquisition.
 
Old 03-16-2014, 12:45 AM   #7
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I went to the Linux Mint website and looked for Linux Mint 16 'Cinnamon' for 64 bit architecture.
After choosing the USA Mirror I was prompted with:

Code:
linuxmint-16-cinnamon-dvd-64bit.iso
Which is a raw CD image 1.2 GB
Maybe that version would be the best pick for you; as it's only 1.2 GB--
Since file size is an issue?

When I was running Windows XP the format for the filesystems was NTFS if that helps-

Best of luck to you:Gene Falck-
 
Old 03-16-2014, 12:53 AM   #8
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Hey, Gene! Welcome to LQ!

Verona, huh? I lived in Madison for a while, up by the airport.

Anyway, the first time I downloaded Linux, I had to use a CD .iso because my computer couldn't handle the file size of a DVD. I also used a graphical FTP client that allowed resuming downloads because my network connection was pretty bad. I would suggest some kind of download manager and a smaller .iso file.

Good luck!
 
Old 03-16-2014, 01:06 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Ztcoracat View Post
When I was running Windows XP the format for the filesystems was NTFS if that helps-
On most of the OEM install of XP I saw that was the case but if a reseller, IT department or other third party installed XP or the OS was upgraded from a previous version of windows that may well not be the case.
Gene Falck: bcwagne makes some good recommendations, in my opinion.
 
Old 03-16-2014, 01:38 AM   #10
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An install DVD will typically be a bit over 4GB (I don't know exactly for Mint, but expect 4GB+)
About 1.2GB download.

Last edited by EDDY1; 03-16-2014 at 01:42 AM.
 
Old 03-16-2014, 04:14 AM   #11
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Sure you have enough disk space?
Do you have some sort of quota limit in place (eg download quota, disk space quota, etc)?
Try a distro that still fits on a CD if all else fails.
Look at http://distrowatch.com/ for a small distro.
In fact you could use a very small distro to boot then to download Mint to eliminate the chance it is your XP environment that is the problem.
 
Old 03-16-2014, 09:32 AM   #12
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Hi,

Welcome to LQ!

Your hardware is now using Xp which is on legacy hardware. If you can increase the memory to the max then you are likely able to run a lighter Gnu/Linux. Lighter Desktop Environment will put less load on the old hardware.

You could use the one of the following utilities to download;
Quote:
MS Windows Utilities:
Wget for M$Windows <- 1.10.1 'GNU Wget is a free network utility to retrieve files from the World Wide Web using HTTP and FTP, the two most widely used Internet protocols. It works non-interactively, thus enabling work in the background, after having logged off.'
WGET for Windows (win32) <- current version: 1.10.2 From the official wget homepage: "GNU Wget is a free software package for retrieving files using HTTP, HTTPS and FTP, the most widely-used Internet protocols. It is a non-interactive commandline tool, so it may easily be called from scripts, cron jobs, terminals without X support, etc."
Be sure to check the md5sum after download of ISO image then you can use imgburn to burn that ISO image;

Quote:
M$Windows:
Windows Burn tutorial <- 'Nero' Live Video for the newbies who burn the iso instead of the image of the iso.
Imgburn <- 'ImgBurn is a lightweight CD / DVD / HD DVD / Blu-ray burning application that everyone should have in their toolkit!' + Freeware
-- MD5SUM:
M$Windows iso md5sum checking <- LQ Post on how too
md5sum.exe <- M$Win Application to perform md5sum checking.
winMd5Sum Portable <- FREE + Good for all M$ Windows
I suggest that you try Puppy, Mint or even Slackware;
Quote:
Puppy Linux <- 'Puppy really is small, the live-CD typically being 85MB, yet there really is a complete set of GUI applications. Being so small, Puppy usually loads completely into RAM, which accounts for the incredible speed.

Linux Mint <- 'The purpose of Linux Mint is to produce a modern, elegant and comfortable operating system which is both powerful and easy to use.

Slackware LQ ISO images <- 'Select a 32 bit ISO image'
If you choose Slackware then be sure to use LQs' Slackware forum if you have any issues or questions. Choose a light window manager like XFCE, LXDE or the like.

Sometimes a user may need to choose older versions of a Gnu/Linux that will support legacy hardware.

Hope this helps.
 
Old 03-16-2014, 04:03 PM   #13
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On my old xp machine the dvd wasn't capable of burning dvd's but could burn cd's. You need to know if yours will burn dvd's.
Also windows xp didn't come with a default burning software but cdburnerxp works great & is also free.
How large is your hdd.
 
Old 03-16-2014, 04:59 PM   #14
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The file size limit on FAT32 filesystems is 4GB, and most isos are BELOW this limit. You're probably using NTFS anyway.

As for burning the disk, you need a DVD burner. This doesn't depend on Windoze.
 
Old 03-16-2014, 08:35 PM   #15
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Debian provides a net install version, which needs only a few hundred megabytes. You can put it on a CD, or on a 256MB flash drive. You don't need to download megabytes to get started, and you don't have to use a CD or DVD drive. But if you plan on using a flash drive, make sure your older computer will boot from a USB drive. If it won't, you're stuck with a CD.
 
  


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