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Old 01-14-2010, 04:17 AM   #31
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If that was your monitor in the other mess then we are running the same brand
No, that was from an older thread I was involved in, it wasn't my file. None of my old monitors were samsungs. As I say, give Debian a try if the xorg edit doesn't work. If you have hd space, a triple boot XP/ubuntu/debian is OK.
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I believe I already am administrator. There are no other users besides me, but I do have to enter my password for some things. there is no other user accounts that I know of.
Permissions within Linux are transparent but complex to master. Each file has a set of permissions, simplest way to view these is to cd to the directory you need then
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ls -l
. Files in /home/(your user name) typically have rwxrwxr-- but sysyem files eg in /etc have eg rwxr-xr--. You can read up, plenty of wikis available, the -- indicates that only root can write to these files. But another file /etc/sudoers gives named users extra permissions. leave that file alone for now, just put sudo before the command if something doesn't work.
 
Old 01-14-2010, 09:27 AM   #32
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Bad news. No such file or directory as x11 or xll No wonder I am having such problems. Did find /etc. xoneone or xLL, LOWER CASE
I will try reloading 9.10 from disc. If that fails I will dld something that takes control and does it all by itself. I think it is wubi 9+.10 I expect both to fail. If they do, I will dld debian.
 
Old 01-14-2010, 11:54 AM   #33
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I recall X11 (x one one) is uppercase, regret I am at my work XP system with no access to anything Linux. If you are looking for a file, there are several ways. Terminal is quicker than gui.
Code:
cd /etc
ls
is there an X11? cd into it. ls again, is there xorg.conf or similar? Or:
Code:
cd /etc
find -name xorg*
#if this doesn't show a result
find -name Xorg*
This thread (not LQ) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1295477 indicates that the file is still xorg.conf, but in the later Ubuntu's any manual settings may be overwritten on restart. If you find that manual settings solve your problem, but your system reverts on restart, we might investigate disabling automatic settings.
If you are changing to Debian, see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/
My old hardware definitely worked on this now superceded release. I think I was OK with "Lenny" which is now the stable distro, but can't go back and check now. "Etch" was fine. My monitor was unable to change resolution until I updated horizsync vertrefresh and depth, but xorg.conf accepted manual settings without difficulty.
 
Old 01-14-2010, 03:12 PM   #34
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You were right. It is Xoneone
s1 is pretty, but dir gets the same results in b & w. The results are
X Xsession.dxwrapper.config default display manager xinit xresourceses xsesion.options fonts xkb xsession xumcconfig cursors rgb.txt# I don't
know how accurate I got these, but keep
that in mind for your reply if any. Is that xorg or Xorg.
Damn I wish I could access the printer on this network. It would be easier than transcribing notes. I forget what else I had to say.
There ia an X11 folder. /etc/x11. I think I might better try debian. We aren't getting anywhere very fast. If it gets the display corect I should stick with it.
My older puter has, a different g card and monitor. It has always managed to get it right. I have tried mandrake,three different ubuntus, and one other on it. It has always got it right. The only thing holding me back is the lan card quit.
 
Old 01-15-2010, 03:57 AM   #35
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Other places for your xorg.conf
/etc/X11/xinit
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit
and _just_possibly_

/etc/X11/config
 
Old 01-15-2010, 05:19 PM   #36
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After research I now know why you can't find your xorg.conf file- it's not there any more!
Although
Code:
sudo xorg -configure
will probably generate an xorg.conf file for you, which you could then edit, I can't try this out. As a new user you might have trouble. At risk of repeating earlier advice, the first linux system I tried to install was ubuntu, which is widely reported as user-friendly for new windows converts; but it ran into trouble due to my ageing hardware (1998 self-build), and web info pointed me to several distros that reputedly work with old kit. Of these, Debian proved the most successful. The structure is similar to Ubuntu, but you need to start using terminal almost from the beginning- for example, network places are typically added by directly editing *.conf files. This is I believe better than total reliance on menus.
May I suggest you download and burn your Debian Lenny I386 32 bit iso, make sure its Ok. Then, if you feel like a last try with xorg -configure, boot into ubuntu, and go for it.
I think this process might be too difficult for a new user (and for some moderately experienced ones too! Like me) so after this attempt, see whether Debian can help you.

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Old 01-15-2010, 05:45 PM   #37
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Are you sure that is not xorg reconfigure. I saw that somewhere. It seems to fit the situation.
I will try the debian suggestion as soon as I get a disk. I am all out.
Meanwhile, if it does wright a new config file,
would the old suggestions work with it?
I think the reason I couldn't find my way back was the title got changed and I didn't look at it quite right. I probably actually found it. Seeing the new title, I just ignored it. I hope I learned something from it.
 
Old 01-16-2010, 03:21 AM   #38
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X -configure works here.
 
Old 01-16-2010, 10:03 AM   #39
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Talking

Although earlier in this thread I was recalling my own experience, with the Xorg command I am using posts on other forums therefore less confident. It has been noted that, if /etc/X11/xorg.conf is present, settings will be loaded from it. If this is the case, then my suggestions would be worth a try. This is from the man page on my 9.10, it's netbook remix but I don't think that would affect this command:
Code:
NAME
       Xorg - X11R7 X server

SYNOPSIS
       Xorg [:display] [option ...]
##2 pages later:
 -configure:
               When this option is specified, the Xorg server loads all video driver modules, probes for available  hard‐
               ware,  and  writes out an initial xorg.conf(5) file based on what was detected.  This option currently has
               some problems on some platforms, but in most cases it  is  a  good  way  to  bootstrap  the  configuration
               process.  This option is only available when the server is run as root (i.e, with real-uid 0).
The manual page bears no date but I guess was written several Ubuntu's ago, that plus my own lack of experience with the Xorg command means I'm not optimistic that this will work.
I have found some limited info on the x command but not x -configure. But just because I haven't found it doesn't mean it's not there... try both.
 
Old 01-16-2010, 11:04 AM   #40
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Before I forget, my grub 1st menu has a few extra lines having coming from repeated tries. What is the way to remove them.
A new install from disk didn't help anything.
 
Old 01-16-2010, 11:12 AM   #41
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In the terminal, run this:
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sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
Enter your password.
That will open your menu.lst in gedit (text editor) and then you can delete anything not needed.

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Old 01-16-2010, 11:29 AM   #42
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I assume we are still with Ubuntu? If so there have been some changes. The file that determines what you see on boot is /boot/grub/grub.cfg. Entries may be removed by editing this file but ubuntu community documentation seems to advise against this. If I had to remove an entry (eg because the kernel it referred to had gone) I would comment out the relevant lines in that file.
But it's best to leave a working system alone. Only play with the MBR and bootloader files (includes grub.cfg) when you are confident to repair it from a live session if it won't boot.
With Debian AFAIK it's still menu.lst, but I haven't used Debian for a few months so not sure.
Edit: just saw BrianL's post.. I have checked against my own 9.10 & here it is grub.cfg- removal of redundant kernels would I think be the same but I would reiterate warning about leaving alone for now.

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Old 01-16-2010, 11:41 AM   #43
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Aha, so it's grub.cfg now is it? I haven't tried Ubuntu since 9.04.
 
Old 01-16-2010, 01:00 PM   #44
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Yep, despite dire warning on community howto (not designed to be edited by user, even root) there doesn't appear to be a "vigrubbo" to edit it, suppose update-grub would do the syntax checking. So if I edit it, I'll leave usual ways back, copy file to master, user comments not deletion, keep ubuntu live usb/cd handy for emergency editing....
 
Old 01-16-2010, 01:05 PM   #45
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Before I forget, my grub 1st menu has a few extra lines haveing coming from repeated tries. What is the way to remove them.
A new install from disk didn't help anything.

I guess sonic that you are right. No matter what I typed to get gedit the grub menu, gtk gave me a warning display could not be opened. I wasn't going to alter it, just check out the command and look at it. I don't know why it said display though.
This system has two HDs but I am sure it wouldnt be to easy to boot from the second one. About the only way I know at this time would be go into cmos and change the boot order. I think there is an option to make the second drive boot 1st after cd and floppy.
Stupid spellchecker isn't working right. No options show to ignore etc. I always check it myself anyways.
 
  


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