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Old 07-21-2016, 01:29 AM   #1
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Details about the various version of Linux


I've played around with Linux over the years but never fully committed to the change over. In the past when using searched solutions on the web, most did not work and I got frustrated.

So, my starting question is, do terminal commands work differently for LinuxMint, Ubuntu, lubuntu, Debian, Puppy etc.

For example
I installed lubuntu and then Lazarus. If found that Lazarus used Mysql connections for 5.6 but when I downloaded the MYSql files I needed, they were 5.7. I found several discussions on fixing this but half way through script suggestions, I was getting errors.

So the question is, should all versions be able to run the same terminal commands, if not, which is the "better" version to run that supports the programmer developer platform rather than just a simple user GUI?

Thanks Wallace.
 
Old 07-21-2016, 02:01 AM   #2
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I'm a bit confused about your post:
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So, my starting question is, do terminal commands work differently for LinuxMint, Ubuntu, lubuntu, Debian, Puppy etc.
the same (kind of) terminal should work exactly the same way (but obviously different versions may have different bugs/features).
The commands executed work again the same way: the same version should behave identically, different versions should behave similar way, but it also depends on configurations/setting, so probably you need to check if the given tool (like mysql) was properly set up.
I don't know what and how did you download, but usually all these distros have their own package management software and you need to use that to install/upgrade.
"I was getting error" is not enough to go further, you need to specify what did you try, what's happened (and what was expected).
I would say there is no better version (in general), but correct configuration.
 
Old 07-21-2016, 05:06 AM   #3
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The problem is often I can't record the problem.

Eg PtrScr

If I lookup this for lubuntu, it says that the screen is saved to the home directory.
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1879702

I can find nothing there.

So rather than give me an answer, what is the process for finding out what is going wrong.

Should I check and see if "scrot" is actually installed ?
 
Old 07-21-2016, 05:11 AM   #4
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On that line, I can't see my windows network from lubuntu. I installed Samba. Nothing is added to the installed program list. How do I execute the find the network ?

I did find that Linuxmint comes with network aware components installed.

If I use the package manager and search for an email program, I get a result with mint but nothing with lubuntu.

I'm really hoping to get ptrscr to work then others can see what I see.

Cheers Wallace.
 
Old 07-24-2016, 06:09 PM   #5
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I think you need to concentrate on one problem at a time. It would also help if you posted to the correct subforum (there's nothing related to the Linux kernel itself in your question). Linux - Software seems appropriate. Ask a moderator to move your thread.

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Should I check and see if "scrot" is actually installed ?
In the time it took you to type that, you could have done it:
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which scrot
/usr/bin/scrot    #this is probably what the command would return
Are you sure scrot is not putting the files in your home dir? They should be dated .png files. For example, I took a pic with scrot and look in my home dir:
Code:
scrot
ls ~/ | grep png
2016-07-24-175337_1920x1200_scrot.png
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If I use the package manager and search for an email program, I get a result with mint but nothing with lubuntu.
Detail, details! Which package manager GUI are you using in each one. How are you trying to search?

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On that line, I can't see my windows network from lubuntu. I installed Samba. Nothing is added to the installed program list.
I'm not real familiar with Samba (or network sharing stuff in general), but do you really need to install samba on the client? Don't you just need smbclient at most? Also, as Samba is command-line utilities, you would not expect it to show up in the menu of installed apps.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 01:59 AM   #6
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Sorry for the add hock info. I read my emails on my Windows computer as the Linux Laptop is "under construction" at the moment and I don't always have the information in front of me.

I guess I really am trying to understand the underling philosophy of Linux to start with and build on from there. In windows it is easy XP Win8 Win10 etc.

In Linux (?) there is Debian Linux Ubuntu etc. Call this the framework. Then there is Mate, Cinnamon, Kde, Puppy etc call this the Skin. Does the suite of programs when first installed on a PC belong to framework or skin?

The next thing is that when I have LinuxMint installed and I look at the programs installed, some are from ubuntu.

So if I have a problem, do I look for a solution in the Linuxmint forum or ubuntu or wherever.

Let me try and understand this before I go any further.
 
Old 07-25-2016, 07:28 PM   #7
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Hi,

Welcome to LQ!

You could use some of these to gain understanding;
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Just a few links to aid you to gaining some understanding;



1 Linux Documentation Project
2
Rute Tutorial & Exposition
3
Linux Command Guide
4 Bash Beginners Guide
5
Bash Reference Manual
6
Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide
7
Linux Newbie Admin Guide
8
LinuxSelfHelp
9
Utimate Linux Newbie Guide

The above links and others can be found at '
Slackware-Links'. More than just Slackware® links!
Some of the above may seem dated but you can learn the basics from the referenced links.
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"Knowledge is of two kinds. We Know a subject ourselves, or we know where we can find information upon it."- Samuel Johnson
Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!

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Old 07-25-2016, 11:03 PM   #8
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In windows it is easy XP Win8 Win10 etc
Only because you are used to it and learned using windows. Someone who learned using Linux or another operating system would find windows difficult.

Using your examples, Debian, Ubuntu and Puppy are different Linux distributions similar to xp, vista, 7, et.

Mate, Cinnamon, KDE are Desktop environments and as a windows user, you probably have difficulty with this because nothing like this exists with windows. You don't have a choice, you take what they give you. It's more difficult for someone who has used a specific OS to learn a new one because someone who has never used any simply needs to learn the system. You need to first unlearn what you are used to and learn the new system or stick with the old.

Linux Mint like a number of other distributions based on Ubuntu, use the Ubuntu repositories for almost all of their software.
 
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Old 07-25-2016, 11:11 PM   #9
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It may also help you to understand that commands are just applications, like anything else. They aren't magical incantations that will always be the same no matter what. If you use `tar` on one distribution and it's at version 1.10 and then you use tar on a different machine and it's version 1.29, then they *may* act slightly differently.

You might also use GNU tar on one machine, but then run into BSD tar on another. Those will act different.

It's similar to sitting in front of Windows XP and opening the Control Panel to switch to a Dvorak keyboard and finding it in one place, and then sitting down in front of Windows 10 and finding it in a different place.

So you need to learn your commands just like you'd learn some other application or application set.

Hope that clarifies it somewhat.
 
Old 07-26-2016, 12:10 AM   #10
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Do terminal commands work differently for LinuxMint, Ubuntu, lubuntu, Debian, Puppy etc?
There is a common set of terminal commands that work on all of them, and others that are specialized for each distro. But they all generally follow similar syntax, of typing the command first, and then give it customizing options, called flags, according to syntax that can be found at the top of each commands manual page, which can be found by using the command "man". A good place to start is typing "man man" in the terminal of whichever flavor of linux you get going.
 
Old 07-26-2016, 04:16 AM   #11
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I guess I really am trying to understand the underling philosophy of Linux to start with and build on from there. In windows it is easy XP Win8 Win10 etc.
I am not sure that the attempted solutions and the answers to your concrete questions can really lead to eliminate the underlying difficulties. Experience with Microsoft OSs will not help you, I am afraid, as you try to approach Linux on a rather basic level, where the different systems and common practice are not comparable.

I venture, that it would be best to try to just get real work done on Linux. Your questions will be answered and the solutions will be immediately adequate. As regards “Philosophy”, whatever should that be good for? Keep that for later.
 
Old 08-01-2016, 04:13 PM   #12
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That is the way to go. Just choose one thing that you will do only on your linux system. Browsing the internet let's say. Then do that that just for one day or as long as you can only on linux. Mostly you will have no problems but you might miss certain things and so then you can figure out how to make them the way you like. This will allow you to become familiar with linux more gradually.


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I venture, that it would be best to try to just get real work done on Linux. Your questions will be answered and the solutions will be immediately adequate.
 
Old 08-01-2016, 04:38 PM   #13
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Only because you are used to it and learned using windows. Someone who learned using Linux or another operating system would find windows difficult.

Using your examples, Debian, Ubuntu and Puppy are different Linux distributions similar to xp, vista, 7, et.

Mate, Cinnamon, KDE are Desktop environments and as a windows user, you probably have difficulty with this because nothing like this exists with windows. You don't have a choice, you take what they give you.
This. Another way of thinking of the "Skin" is, for example, if Windows 7 had the option to use the tiled desktop from Windows 8 or the desktop from the newer Windows 10 vs only being able to use the desktop that comes on Windows 7. It's sorta like a theme that includes software suites, different settings, and just different overall feel. These are called Desktop Environments and Window Managers, or DE's and WM's.

For example I use Debian Linux at work and at home. On my work computer I use the Mate desktop, and at home I alternate between KDE and Xfce. You can have several installed and change when you want by logging off and loggin back in with the DE desired selected at the login screen.
If you go here http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian look at the section that says Desktop, those are many DE available for Debian.

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