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Old 01-15-2015, 11:50 AM   #1
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Decrypt a cipher


Anyone have any idea what this cypher might say or what type of cypher it is or how to decrypt it? This cypher supposedly describes a magnet arrangement for a setup that includes 8 equally spaced square magnets attached to the outside diameter of a 3” diameter brass rotor and 6 round magnets plus 1 square magnet on a stator. All square magnets are 1/8"x1/2"x1/2" and the round magnets are 1/2" diameter x 3/8" thick. Location/orientation, polarity and power (or part number) of magnets may also be included in the cypher. The cypher may or may not use a key. If it does use a key, the key may be the characters that follow the word “KEY” in the cypher or the key might be mecsdgp. Some magnetic shielding is used in this device and may or may not be included in the cipher.
707-28 1009-9-6 420/6
1434-30/1 322@7
1819=4-5 95+3=18
431>8
KEY
739/Y4681
+UU312/1J000(766HH
DKEY)
6/12/LLL394H3M
 
Old 01-15-2015, 12:12 PM   #2
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This is meaningless.
 
Old 01-15-2015, 12:29 PM   #3
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This is meaningless.
I'll take it a step further - it's a red herring.

He's trying to create a magnetic motor; perpetual energy. Mainly for the reasons of breaking laws of thermodynamics (among others), this won't work. The video you got this from is a hoax, like the HoJo motor/etc. These scribblings are intended to be "proof", but as you've already found out, they're no proof at all.
 
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Old 01-24-2015, 02:17 PM   #4
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First of all I would like to thank both of you for your rapid response. I would also like to point out to you that the Laws of Thermodynamics only apply for "closed systems" and I am talking about an "open system", so your rejection if this idea, although well intentioned, is based on incorrect or uninformed assumptions on your part. I would also like to state that I am not attempting to make a perpetual motion (or energy) device. Your knowledge of this subject is obviously not current. Due to your rapid and cryptic responses, I can only assume that you made no attempt to decrypt the cipher. If you don't know how to decrypt it or don't recognize it's type, then you should just say that instead of posting insulting and uninformed opinions. If you wish to comment further, I would ask that you study more current knowledge on this topic before doing so. I intend no disrespect for your comments and expect the same from you. However, your "ready, shoot, aim" approach to my simple request is inappropriate and inaccurate. I was raised to believe that "if you don't have anything positive to say, then don't say anything or at least be respectful in your response".
 
Old 01-24-2015, 02:40 PM   #5
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If you are given a few dozen characters of cryptotext, it is impossible to decrypt it.

It might just be possible if you had thousands of characters and it is a weak encryption.

Would you like to try the following:-
Quote:
Svefg bs nyy V jbhyq yvxr gb gunax obgu bs lbh sbe lbhe encvq erfcbafr. V jbhyq nyfb yvxr gb cbvag bhg gb lbh gung gur Ynjf bs Gurezbqlanzvpf bayl nccyl sbe "pybfrq flfgrzf" naq V nz gnyxvat nobhg na "bcra flfgrz", fb lbhe erwrpgvba vs guvf vqrn, nygubhtu jryy vagragvbarq, vf onfrq ba vapbeerpg be havasbezrq nffhzcgvbaf ba lbhe cneg. V jbhyq nyfb yvxr gb fgngr gung V nz abg nggrzcgvat gb znxr n crecrghny zbgvba (be raretl) qrivpr. Lbhe xabjyrqtr bs guvf fhowrpg vf boivbhfyl abg pheerag. Qhr gb lbhe encvq naq pelcgvp erfcbafrf, V pna bayl nffhzr gung lbh znqr ab nggrzcg gb qrpelcg gur pvcure. Vs lbh qba'g xabj ubj gb qrpelcg vg be qba'g erpbtavmr vg'f glcr, gura lbh fubhyq whfg fnl gung vafgrnq bs cbfgvat vafhygvat naq havasbezrq bcvavbaf. Vs lbh jvfu gb pbzzrag shegure, V jbhyq nfx gung lbh fghql zber pheerag xabjyrqtr ba guvf gbcvp orsber qbvat fb. V vagraq ab qvferfcrpg sbe lbhe pbzzragf naq rkcrpg gur fnzr sebz lbh. Ubjrire, lbhe "ernql, fubbg, nvz" nccebnpu gb zl fvzcyr erdhrfg vf vanccebcevngr naq vanpphengr. V jnf envfrq gb oryvrir gung "vs lbh qba'g unir nalguvat cbfvgvir gb fnl, gura qba'g fnl nalguvat be ng yrnfg or erfcrpgshy va lbhe erfcbafr".
Clue:- "ROT 13"
 
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Old 01-24-2015, 04:19 PM   #6
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Ha, ha. Very funny.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 05:07 PM   #7
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First of all I would like to thank both of you for your rapid response. I would also like to point out to you that the Laws of Thermodynamics only apply for "closed systems" and I am talking about an "open system", so your rejection if this idea, although well intentioned, is based on incorrect or uninformed assumptions on your part.
Could you please elaborate then, so that our assumptions will not be incorrect and uninformed.

In particular I am genuinely curious as to how the laws of thermodynamics would and would not apply, and particularly a more precise definition of what you mean by the "open" and "closed" systems that you have in mind.

If one is to expend thought on breaking the cipher then such knowledge and context would seem to be required, as you have indicated.
 
Old 01-24-2015, 11:39 PM   #8
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The attached link should explain the difference between an open and a closed system. If you have done any surfing I am sure that you have normally found information titled "The first law of thermodynamics in a CLOSED system". I looked for a layman's explanation for the difference between the two, but came up with this link that I believe will satisfy your question. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermod...em#Open_system
If you need further explanation, please feel free to contact me at your convenience. Thank you, in advance, for your continued interest in this topic.
I do not claim to have all of the answers, but I am willing to try to expand my knowledge of new (to me) ideas. In fact, as of now, I don't have any of the answers in my pursuit of this topic.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 02:42 AM   #9
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The attached link should explain the difference between an open and a closed system. If you have done any surfing I am sure that you have normally found information titled "The first law of thermodynamics in a CLOSED system". I looked for a layman's explanation for the difference between the two, but came up with this link that I believe will satisfy your question. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermod...em#Open_system
If you need further explanation, please feel free to contact me at your convenience. Thank you, in advance, for your continued interest in this topic.
I do not claim to have all of the answers, but I am willing to try to expand my knowledge of new (to me) ideas. In fact, as of now, I don't have any of the answers in my pursuit of this topic.
Thanks for the link, but I already know what constitutes an open and closed thermodynamic system in the literature. But that tells us nothing about the system that you have in mind, which was the point of my question, sorry if that was not clear. So with my intended emphasis, let me ask again...

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In particular I am genuinely curious as to how the laws of thermodynamics would and would not apply, and particularly a more precise definition of what you mean by the "open" and "closed" systems that you have in mind.
That is, a physical description of the system of interest to you. In other words, since you describe it as an open system meaining that it has some net flow of matter in, out or through, what is the nature of that matter and how does it enter and exit the system? In other words, what we need is a simple "model" of the system of interest - energy, matter and work.

And I don't want to sound as if I am asking for technical specs, just a brief but useful verbal description which includes...

* The purpose of the system - what does it do.
* The physical configuration of the system - size, major moving parts.
* The important sources and sinks of thermal or other energy associated with it.
* The nature and important dynamics of matter inflow and outflow associated with it.

Think about how you might usefully explain the essential workings of a single cylinder gas engine to an interested middle school classrom in 5 minutes or less.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 08:18 AM   #10
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If something is adequately encrypted you cannot decrypt it. it's that simple. Especially when, as in this case, it seems that it may just be a hoax anyhow.
I suggest, if you really do believe this, that you pay whomever is asking for a fee in order to get the key and go from there. Personally, I would think that anybody who had some miraculous technology and neither made it public nor made themselves a billionaire was talking trash but you're free to believe anything you want.
 
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I will provide you with 3 videos of the device I am referring to. It may be a hoax, but if it is, I am hard pressed to understand how can be done. It is important to watch all 3 videos and read the comments for each. There are very large number of potential variables involved and it would be difficult to empirically evaluate each one. For example, power and magnetic flux of each magnet, which axis are the magnets polarized. Magnet orientation. It is possible to magnetize any and all of the magnets through any dimension, which totally changes it's effects on other magnets. Shielding appears to be used, but what type, how much and where? Is the fact that the rotor is brass of significance. Brass is an excellent conductor, but is non-magnetic unless there is motion involved in which case an electrostatic, eddy current or magnetic field is created which opposes the magnetic field of the magnet. This is true for brass, copper and aluminum. I have added a 4th video to show this effect and have repeated it myself with a 1/2 inch OD thin wall copper tube and a small neodymium magnet, so I know it exists. These are but a few of the variables.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGq2WSnE7j0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maf61RwvIMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUu0BPBwDiI
http://video.mit.edu/watch/physics-d...er-pipe-10268/
If you continue to believe this is a hoax, I would like to understand how you think it is done. Thank you.
 
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I will provide you with 3 videos of the device I am referring to. It may be a hoax, but if it is, I am hard pressed to understand how can be done. It is important to watch all 3 videos and read the comments for each.
No, it is absolutely of no importance. I can't speak for anyone else, but for myself I can tell you that I would consider it a complete and pointless waste of my time to click off to a third party video and read through random 4th, 5th ... nth party comments in order to try to form my own proxy answer to questions that you have not yet tried to answer.

You dismissed the comments of others by invoking suspension of the laws of thermodynamics in your open system, so I have asked for you to describe that system in simplest terms, in your own words, please.

Posting links to youtube videos and asking us to read all the comments on them is not helpful.

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There are very large number of potential variables involved and it would be difficult to empirically evaluate each one. For example, power and magnetic flux of each magnet, which axis are the magnets polarized. Magnet orientation. It is possible to magnetize any and all of the magnets through any dimension, which totally changes it's effects on other magnets. Shielding appears to be used, but what type, how much and where? Is the fact that the rotor is brass of significance...
It is not only possible, but not even difficult actually, unless you want it to be.

That begins to sound like obfuscation... "It is beyond our simple understanding... no point in trying... no need to look behind the curatin...".

But I did not ask you to empirically account for every possible variable, or for any at all! I simply asked, and still do ask, for a brief description of the major physical quantities important to your system of interest - to help me understand the basis of your argument. You claimed sufficient understanding to reject the arguments of others, specifically on the basis of it being an open thermodynamic system, so please explain to that level, as simply as possible.

In your words please...

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If you continue to believe this is a hoax, I would like to understand how you think it is done. Thank you.
But first, we would like to understand how you think it works... there is no point continuing without that basis established. The purpose of the conceptual model is to communicate the important ideas involved.

You are asking us to create the model ourselves, from whatching videos of unknown provenance, then to find the flaw in that model! All with no effort on your part!

I don't believe the moon is made of cheese, at least not my favorite sharp cheddar, but I would not spend any effort trying to prove that proposition against a completely empty claim to the contrary!

And that cipher, which purports to specify important parameters for this as yet undescribed system, remains totally pointless without some description of where those parameters fit into some model!

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