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Old 10-16-2012, 08:38 PM   #16
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I use CentOS on my main work machine, Fedora on many other work machines, Ubuntu in a few VMs when I have to, Debian in a few more VMs, and OpenSUSE on my laptop. Of all of them, I like OpenSUSE the best. In my opinion it provides the best compromise between having to manually configure everything (Slack) vs relying on the OS to do everything for you (Ubuntu), the best compromise between the bleeding edge (aka: broken 75% of the time) distros like Fedora, and the slower, stable distros like CentOS and Debian. In my experience everything works out of the box...video, wifi, even shrinking an existing NTFS partition to make room for the OS during installation (without any errors, unlike other distros that can't even shrink another Linux partition properly during installation *cough* CentOS *cough*). It also doesn't bother with any of that sudo-only BS that Ubuntu and its derivatives do, and I really like the command line package management tool "zypper"...almost as much as I like "yum". Both of which are light years ahead of apt in my opinion.

I'm not a big fan of KDE on OpenSUSE though, I much prefer XFCE. It's lightweight enough to run on my old EEE PC netbook as well, only uses 300 MB of RAM sitting at the desktop.

Of course these are ALL just my own opinions...everybody is entitled to their own.

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Old 10-16-2012, 11:25 PM   #17
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Hi Knightron,

I see you are a OpenSuse user. How do you like? I installed the latest version on vmware but for some reason I couldn't get the updates to work. I used to be a big OpenSuse fan until like I mentioned the flash videos were playing very poorly. Im actually testing Mate as we speak! thanks!
 
Old 10-17-2012, 01:26 AM   #18
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Hello ceantuco, yes i am using Opensuse. 12.2 to be exact. Are you aware there's a reviews section here at LQ. People post reviews on the different versions of various distros. You might find it of interested, to get an idea of what other people think of different distros.
I like Opensuse very much. It is stable, in my opinion much more than *buntu, or Mint. It provides not bleeding edge software, but fairly up to date, and the release cycle is on an eight month cycle. An important point though is, if the devs don't think that it is ready on the eighth month, they will delay it. This is something i like because it means they're focusing on a good release instead of being willing to release a bug infested distro.
If there is a piece of software you want to be updated, there is the Open builds service, and it has up to date software for most packages.
Opensuse uses zypper, and i agree with suicidaleggroll. I think zypper is perhaps the best package tool there is. You said you had trouble with updates, was that with apper, the kde package managing tool, that comes default on kde? I hate it, apper and remove it. I update simply by su to root and run the command, 'zypper up'. You can try Opensuse, but the mate desktop environment is still experimental at the moment on Opensuse. Any more questions, feel free to ask.

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Old 10-17-2012, 05:07 AM   #19
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Main point, i hate Salix, it doesn't work. If you want to take that path, install slapt-get on Slackware.
Exactly what part of Salix does not work? Can you give examples here?

It has been my experience that everything on Salix works quite well.
I have used every version of Salix from when they first got started. I have found Salix to be every bit as stable and reliable as Slackware. Indeed, Salix is essentially Slackware with some graphical configuration apps and dependency management added on to the Slackware base.

All Salix packages are fully compatible with Slackware and vice versa. I have installed many Salix binary packages on Slackware with no problems.

Now that Slackware 14 has been released, a new Salix should be coming out soon. I am sure it will be just as good as all the other Salix releases.

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Old 10-17-2012, 05:16 AM   #20
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I found Salix to be a really well done distro, very stable with apps selection that makes a lot of sense, atleast the Xfce flavor that i tried. It suffers from limited packaged software but imo it's more to do with being Slackware based.. or i'm just spoiled for choice in Debian
 
Old 10-17-2012, 07:02 AM   #21
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Exactly what part of Salix does not work? Can you give examples here?
My issues are all with Slackbuilds.

#1 Sourcery. It failed on almost all the slackbuilds i wanted, even when all dependencies were satisfied, but if i just used the Slackbuilds like normal, they'd install fine (assuming all the deps were installed).
#2 All the Slackbuilds on Slackbuilds.org, are designed for the default full blown install of Slackware. Salix is a trimmed down version of Slackware, because of this, some dependencies for Slackbuilds are not satisfied, and because they'd normally be included on the Slackware dvd, they're not listed on Slackbuilds.org either.

I said i 'hate' Salix. That is a very strong word, and i take it back, because it's not true. I dislike Salix. I applaud there efforts however, and i've used there mate packages on Slackware before.
My '#1' issue was my biggest issue with Salix, and it really annoyed me. Surely i'm not the only person who's used Salix and found these issues.
My #2 issue is more just a maintenance issue, and can be overcome, but the way i see it, Salix is trying to make things easier, and they're simply making things more complicated, and therefor harder. Installing slapt-get on Slackware i think would give better results; and that's on;y under the assumption the OP wants automatic dependency checking.
 
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:18 PM   #22
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I uninstalled the latest version of OpenSuse on my computer and yes it was running KDE. I tried upgrading it a few times and I got a few erros. Got fed up and deleted the virtual machine lol. Right now I am testing Linux Mint as virtual machine and I am liking it so far. I installed 32-Bit Mate. I think I will install it on my laptop tonight but I will install the 64 bit version instead.
 
Old 10-17-2012, 07:42 PM   #23
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Good luck mate, i hope you enjoy Linux Mint as much as many of the other users do.
 
Old 10-18-2012, 12:54 PM   #24
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Thank you! My main goal is eventually become a Linux systems administrator or work on Network security. Since I am sure most of you work as Linux admins, which Distros do you recommend for practicing? I have a Home Ubuntu server (NO GUI) running my FTP and file sharing. Nothing fancy. I also have Backtrack install on my laptop and I play around with it once in awhile...
 
Old 10-18-2012, 08:30 PM   #25
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I am not a system admin, infact my job has nothing to do with computers. I use Gnu/Linux because i like the flexibility of it amongst other things. So i'm afraid i can't give you any direct advice.
If you are serious, then maybe CentOS. CentOS is a clone of RedHat enterprise Linux, which is the most popular Gnu/Linux distro used in a corporate environment (I think). Another option would be Slackware. With Slackware, you won't be relying on gui tools to do things and you will have to learn how to do things manually, this will give you good practice. Maybe even Debian, it's not as manual as Slack, but you'll learn a thing or two, especially about .deb distros, which may be beneficial since the popularity growth of Ubuntu.
 
Old 10-19-2012, 04:10 AM   #26
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My issues are all with Slackbuilds.
#1 Sourcery. It failed on almost all the slackbuilds i wanted, even when all dependencies were satisfied, but if i just used the Slackbuilds like normal, they'd install fine (assuming all the deps were installed).
Were you using the slackbuilds from slackbuilds.org?? Or were you using the packages provided in the Saix repositories?
The packages from the Salix repos should work just fine.
Were you using sbopkg to install slackbuilds from slackbuilds.org? There was an issue with this that was discussed on the Salix forums. I don't remember what exactly it was though. But using the "Slackbuilds like normal", as you said, should work just fine.
 
Old 10-19-2012, 05:41 AM   #27
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I don't want to side track the thread, but i'll answer your question.
My issue was not for Sbopkg, it was with the 'sorcery' gui tool that comes on the default Salix install; no modifications made to it's settings. I was under the assumption it collected from Slackbuilds.org?
The process of installing slackbuilds through that tool was the unpleasant experience. When i get them from slackbuilds.org manually and install them manually, they work, (when the deps are satisfied).
 
Old 10-19-2012, 12:29 PM   #28
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What do you guys think about using Backtrack 5R3 as an everyday operating system. Like Ubuntu, OpenSuse and mint. What are you thoughts?
Thanks
 
Old 10-19-2012, 09:18 PM   #29
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I don't like the sounds of it. Me thinks you might be up to something devious. Why do you want to use it as an everyday os?
 
Old 10-21-2012, 01:21 PM   #30
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lol I want to eventually do Internet Security/Computer forensics and I know that backtrack has tools for that. That's all. lol nothing evil, the other way around. lol
 
  


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