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Old 06-17-2015, 09:41 AM   #31
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I'd like to object to the use of "bitch" in the context of a users name.
Please change it.
 
Old 06-17-2015, 09:43 AM   #32
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Download non-free here: https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-iwlwifi
Then in the same directory e.g.:
Code:
cd /home/Downloads
then:
Code:
sudo dpkg -i theNameLike.iwlwifi.deb
or:
Code:
su 
dpkg -i *.deb

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Old 06-17-2015, 09:49 AM   #33
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I'd like to really understand what the op is trying to accomplish because they're all over the map.

And yes I feel their username is inappropriate.
 
Old 06-17-2015, 09:51 AM   #34
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Kate won't do the dishes...
 
Old 06-17-2015, 10:04 AM   #35
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Originally Posted by descendant_command View Post
No.
Non-free firmware is not included in any official Debian ISO's.
and

Quote:
Now I had many problems installing like missing firmware.
What I did is download the "tarball", with all the non-free firmware, and I put it on a fat formatted usb stick, in a folder named /firmware.
When installing Debian, it tells me if there is non-free firmware needed, and "insert the media" with the firm ware, at that point I insert the usb stick, then continue with the installation, so far this has worked great for me.
It is handy, especially if you do installations often or on various computers, for example, this computer I am using requires the "firmware-brcm80211_0.36"
but my kids laptop required "firmware-realtek_0.36", all of them are on the usb stick, the first one I made was for "wheezy", when I installed Jessie, I needed to add the firmware for Jessie and it worked fine for jessie too.
 
Old 06-17-2015, 12:49 PM   #36
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I'm not sure why non-free firmware is being suggested as a solution to WiFi dropouts on unknown hardware? Or am I misreading?
For the record my laptop with Debian installed seems to have a few issues with the network dropping out (even when signal is high) and having to disconnect and re-connect to regain internet access. My other laptop didn't have the issues but sadly it's awaiting repair so I can't install Sid on it and see whether there's an issue now there wasn't (I know this isn't regarding Sid but could be a problem with one of a few things and it might narrow it down).
Using another program to manage the network might be a good idea though and if I can remember I'll install WiCD and get rid of Network Manager (if I can) and let you know whether it helps.
 
Old 06-17-2015, 04:37 PM   #37
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intel core i5 4460
asus h97 plus
2x 4gb DDR3 1600mhz (cant remember exact name)
Using old HDD until im comfortable with OS then i will use my SSD. (to save it some years of live)
No graphic card.
Using cable no wifi.

Maybe the old HDD is a problem here? it's been trough a lot for years everything else is new.

One thing why linux is interesting and i don't know if they meant it to be like that.
When my old PC died i kept the HDD with my OS(Xubuntu).
I bought this new pc in parts, assembled it and all these results on google (mostly windows) told me its impossible to just put the old HDD with all this new hardware and expect my OS to run.
So i tried installing xubuntu on a ext HDD then plugging my old HDD in. Booting from the ext HDD and hoping i would be able to copy and paste my old files. Which didn't work because PERMISSION DENIED..

Still interested in knowing how you can get permission to copy and paste everything. I did read some about it. Adding the HDD in your new OS then you need to enter root password? I never found the part where you enter the password for the HDD so you have permission.

And i didn't need to, because i booted from the old HDD with all new hardware and everything worked. Linux 1 windows 0?

Why linux? Im still with windows xp and 7. Don't like the way windows is going with 10.
Looking through this forum i think everybody is on the same page with Apple. You can throw it really far with that weight.
Also the "not genuine" message on w7 is starting to bug me.

Thank you for your support cmgeo. Interesting why do you choose to run ubuntu as your Host OS instead of debian?

Jamison thank you for putting that toghether but that is for wifi right?

I just want to be able to use debian even though it's a pain right now.
Every few minutes my internet shuts down then i go the the upper right click on the network icon and on the "Wired connection 1". Then i see the icon doing something. I think shutting down and restarting my connection. And then i do have a internet connection again. For a few minutes.

Interesting GarryRicketson i will remember that. When i installed i used the internet connection which did work.

Looks like i am having the same problem as 273?

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Old 06-17-2015, 04:52 PM   #38
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Looks like i am having the same problem as 273?
Potentially, yes. I'm running XFCE on Debian Sid (the unstable version) but the WiFi problems sound similar and I have heard of that sort of thing before. When I have some time I will, as I mentioned, try to uninstall Network Manager and install WICD instead and see what happens -- if it works for me I will be sure to post the process.
 
Old 06-17-2015, 04:57 PM   #39
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Thank you 273 appreciate your help.
 
Old 06-17-2015, 07:23 PM   #40
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If you don't setup debian it doesn't hold your hand. With systemd you need to have an /etc/fstab otherwise / is mounted read-only by default. Simple to change after booting, but not intuitive. And probably why you didn't have permission to write your changes (to a read-only filesystem) from page one of this thread.

# mount -o remount,rw /

There's older tools that can help setup a base system.

# apt-get install dselect tasksel

The dselect option helps configure the /etc/apt/sources.list (aka remove the CDROM stuff). And lets you select individual packages and their dependencies. And tasksel lets you be more broad and select purpose specific groups of packages like desktop, server, ... They're a bit dated and probably not the modern preferred tools, but they tend to still work.

TBH, you might start with ubuntu and later switch back to debian. When you decide that your compute cycles and RAM bits are important to you.
 
Old 06-18-2015, 10:00 AM   #41
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intel core i5 4460
asus h97 plus
2x 4gb DDR3 1600mhz (cant remember exact name)
Using old HDD until im comfortable with OS then i will use my SSD. (to save it some years of live)
No graphic card.
Using cable no wifi.

Maybe the old HDD is a problem here? it's been trough a lot for years everything else is new.
With this current setup, if the hdd has to fail, it will fail no matter, you install new system on it or not. (not anything u can do about it.) Even any normal read and write will fail the disk eventually so trying to install a new system is best bet.

Previously there are mention of wifi, but you are using cable, this creates confusion amongst readers regarding what u have and what are u trying to get working. So lets focus on wired. I assume that your connection is working(i.e. a normal windows pc can connect to net without any hassels)


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I bought this new pc in parts, assembled it and all these results on google (mostly windows) told me its impossible to just put the old HDD with all this new hardware and expect my OS to run.
So i tried installing xubuntu on a ext HDD then plugging my old HDD in. Booting from the ext HDD and hoping i would be able to copy and paste my old files. Which didn't work because PERMISSION DENIED..
Ok thats what i would have done. the permission denied message u are getting is because u are accessing the data belonging to some other user. To access that content, only a root level permission holder is eligible. getting permissions to work on debian might be little tough if u don't know how to get it done (as on other linux boxes).

Lets first get ur data back.

so what is ur data. is that doc files in home or mp3 or vid on home. anything in home can be easily backed up. other than that if you have stored the data elsewhere in the partition u must be knowing what u are doing and i might not be able to help with u for that. and custom installed software can be reinstalled with installation files. Everything which is not stored in a users home directory is pretty much system oriented for programming purposes and maintenance purposes etc. if you have made any specific user software related configuration changes u can back it with a simple copy from those specific locations.

So to begin backing up i assume u should be having a backup device which should not be attached and easily removable from the system.
An alternate clean os to run the backup process. For this a live cd in cd drive of a knoppix cd or even ubuntu installation live cd for the specified purpose can work fine.

Knoopix boots up normally without any user intervention and in ubuntu select the trial mode.
Both installation will try to find all hdd which are connected to your system and mount them so that u can edit contents on them. Once u identify the partition which hosts the data u want simply copy the home folder to your backup device. if you get permission denied message on home directory, right click on it select permission tab and select all permission of the other category of users (i.e. read write execute) then try again after applying the changes it should work.(also recursively apply the same to subfolders option) If u get permission denied error on your backup device, i assume u have formatted it in ext. in that case i would recommend u to reformat it with ntfs or fat for backup purposes (not a fan for win formats but this should work for u) and reboot the system and try again.

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Thank you for your support cmgeo. Interesting why do you choose to run ubuntu as your Host OS instead of debian?
Well i busted my hdd and was not going to buy the hdd for inflated prices so bought external which seems to fair priced compared to 2-3 years back. Would have worked with debian but it doesn't support natively booting from external guid labelled disk.(latest version might be working but i am not testing it currently) which can be overcome if i try to research it but had no time. so first settled with knoppix which offered good work but difficult virtual box or shall i say not virutal box support. ultimately found ubuntu to support the installation out of box and also support vbox with debian like repositary management and stuff(like i said debian with bells and whistles) and it remained my os on 32 gb of 1 tb external hdd . on it i installed a deb system and win system and another ubuntu latest release system. (i.e. inside vbox)



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I just want to be able to use debian even though it's a pain right now.
Like i said with the above specs u mentioned u can easily install deb inside vbox mach on ubuntu and get to work with it without creating any problems. use ubuntu for basic emailing and document editing and use deb vbox for whatever u want to do. that way u wont mangle the base os even when u screw up debian vbox

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Every few minutes my internet shuts down then i go the the upper right click on the network icon and on the "Wired connection 1". Then i see the icon doing something. I think shutting down and restarting my connection. And then i do have a internet connection again. For a few minutes.
Wired net connection if u tested with windows and is working correctly then ubuntu will also get it right without u needing to do anything. the debian mach with vbox will also get net connection through ubuntu automatically. and any other oses which u might have installed through vbox.


I think the above said things should be self explanatory and can be easily done if say u had been working with xbunutu.

Further i would like to say that debian is a powerfull system and being opensource and free without any commercial backing or windows like support u might not come across help that easily. but it is there if u look for it. and debian system if properly maintained can go years without a resinstall. but to tell u as a newbie i did almost 3 reinstalls a day to get the graphics working on deb sarge one of the earlier versions without any help or support almost tearing my hair apart form my head. but those were old days and today these systems have highly updated and upgraded u don't face the problems of those people who used them early and failed. Further as per my understanding an lxde installtion of ubuntu is what i may recommend for you. simple short and sweet.

If ur purpose for the computer is described then board members may specify better alternate oses which i have not tried.

Lastly the user name u ar using is bit more sarcastic than u think it is on a linux forum. Many people here revere the os and its coders for providing such a beauty that is absolutely free!!! It is named after the founder of the os.

Also i was taught as a tiny tot that a basic fundamental thing GIGO (Garbage in Garbage out) the computer being a machine can't do anything wrong. only we as a user after feeding it wrong input feel bad when it tries to process that wrong input and gives wrong output.

So let bygones be bygones and have a new begining.

Do update on your tryst with linux.

And feel free to ask any more questions. the commnuity will try (in our free time ) to help u out.

regards
 
Old 06-20-2015, 02:10 AM   #42
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Download non-free here: https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-iwlwifi
Then in the same directory e.g:
Code:
cd /home/Downloads
The above is wrong.
Usually, there is not a user "Downloads"
Instead, if "Downloads" directory is in the ordinary user's home directory,
Code:
cd ~/Downloads
or
Code:
cd $HOME/Downloads

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Old 06-20-2015, 02:30 AM   #43
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...
E.g..
 
Old 06-20-2015, 02:33 AM   #44
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E.g..
I know that it is an exmaple. But it misleads newbies who are not familiar with the subdirectories in /home.
Anyway, it is wrong, as you know
 
Old 06-20-2015, 02:44 AM   #45
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Download ... Then in the same directory ... Newbies or simpleton, do I care if they get it? Yes. So, thanks for your (according to you also wrong) input anyway!

:edits:

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