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Old 03-04-2006, 11:19 AM   #1
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Hi all,

Could someone give me a quick review and fill in the blanks?...........I can't stand this crap anymore (as in windows) but the last time I installed linux, I had a much simpler system.......so, here is what I got:

Installation Software: Redhat Fedora Core 4
Video: ATI X800 (Dual Monitor)
Sound: Soundblaster Live & Reltek AC97
LAN: Marvell Yokon 88E8001
Keyboard: PCI Generic
Mouse: Logitech Cordless
Printer: HP6P

Anyone see any problems up to this point?

Here are the drives

Samsung 40 Gig (C:\ - Windows Drive)
Seagate 250 Meg (D:\)
Maxtor 160 Gig (E:\)
Maxtor 60 Gig (F:\ - Linux Reserve)
SCSI NEC (G:\)
SCSI Sony CDRW (H:\)
Quantum 4 Gig (I:\)
Sony DVD (J:\)
Sony DVDRW (K:\)

Ok......I know this is a bit sticky but could someone refresh me on the drive names?

/dev/hda C:\
/dev/hdd D:\
E:\
F:\
/dev/sda G:\
/dev/sdb H:\
I:\
J:\
K:\

could someone help me out with this?.........This machine has 2 IDE's on the board, 1 SCSI and 2 IDE 66mhz Expansion Cards.....
 
Old 03-04-2006, 11:39 AM   #2
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(as root) to view your partitions setup type:
Code:
fdisk -l
 
Old 03-04-2006, 11:56 AM   #3
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(as root) to view your partitions setup type:
Code:
fdisk -l
not quite what I was looking for, I was wondering the names of the partitions because i want to install........once its installed, I can find and/or mount the drives....

I just don't want to wipe the wrong drive......
 
Old 03-04-2006, 12:16 PM   #4
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For starters, the windows lettering scheme is irrelevant. In linux drives are designated by their position on the ide or scsi bus, eg. ide primary master is always hda, primary slave is hdb, secondary master is hdc, secondary slave is hdd, etc. Add in ide controller cards start with hde and go up. Scsi hard drives generally start with sda and go up. In the NT versions of windows your C drive can be anywhere on the ide bus; any drive partition that has the windows directory on it is designated C, regardless of position on the ide bus. Second, you can expect some problems with that ati card in linux.
 
Old 03-04-2006, 12:58 PM   #5
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For starters, the windows lettering scheme is irrelevant. In linux drives are designated by their position on the ide or scsi bus, eg. ide primary master is always hda, primary slave is hdb, secondary master is hdc, secondary slave is hdd, etc. Add in ide controller cards start with hde and go up. Scsi hard drives generally start with sda and go up. In the NT versions of windows your C drive can be anywhere on the ide bus; any drive partition that has the windows directory on it is designated C, regardless of position on the ide bus. Second, you can expect some problems with that ati card in linux.
Ok, that clears up alot....I guess that my biggest question was how it assigns a value to the IDE cards...... I think that I can pretty much get it from there......I will just have to look on the board.......which shouldn't be a problem because all that crap comes up in the bios......so I can just write it down.....

......Christ, video incompatablity again........I had a Diamond years ago that I had problems with that was unfixable.....what problems are there with the ATI?......
 
Old 03-04-2006, 05:39 PM   #6
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Ati is known for their lackluster linux support; I'm not even sure they have a linux driver for that card. They don't for their most recent cards. Check their website to be sure. In contrast, nvidia's linux support is excellent.
 
Old 03-04-2006, 07:30 PM   #7
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Ati is known for their lackluster linux support; I'm not even sure they have a linux driver for that card. They don't for their most recent cards. Check their website to be sure. In contrast, nvidia's linux support is excellent.
Great.......I did check their support and its non-existent for anything about an 9800.....

Your right, it is lackluster and that's putting it nicly........

I saw heads or tails of some third party drivers but the problem is that its not for the current release........I'm not sure what my options are now.......
 
Old 03-04-2006, 11:30 PM   #8
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If possible, replace the ATI card with Nvidia....If its an onboard (built on the motherboard) chip, you may get lucky and have a PCI-X or AGP slot on the motherboard. I know it will be extra $, but the cost of the hospital stay for a burst blood vessel is ALOT higher...lol

In linux, ATI is the most problematic card to get working in X (the GUI server). Horror stories abound in these forums about ATI woes. As far as third party drivers....Who knows?

So try to get an Nvidia card.

Other than the ATI card, it all looks good. The advantage to Linux is you can install it on any drive you wish, keeping in mind the naming conventions given to you in the previous (excellent) post.

The only caveat I can give to you is if it is a 64bit (or dual-core) processor. If so...Do more research. The 32bit distros will work, just won't be optimized for the hardware (kind of like putting a 2 cylinder engine in a Ferrari...It will work, but why?)
 
Old 03-05-2006, 01:55 AM   #9
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If possible, replace the ATI card with Nvidia....If its an onboard (built on the motherboard) chip, you may get lucky and have a PCI-X or AGP slot on the motherboard. I know it will be extra $, but the cost of the hospital stay for a burst blood vessel is ALOT higher...lol

In linux, ATI is the most problematic card to get working in X (the GUI server). Horror stories abound in these forums about ATI woes. As far as third party drivers....Who knows?

So try to get an Nvidia card.

Other than the ATI card, it all looks good. The advantage to Linux is you can install it on any drive you wish, keeping in mind the naming conventions given to you in the previous (excellent) post.

The only caveat I can give to you is if it is a 64bit (or dual-core) processor. If so...Do more research. The 32bit distros will work, just won't be optimized for the hardware (kind of like putting a 2 cylinder engine in a Ferrari...It will work, but why?)
Well, unfortuanatly, this is part of a much more complex mosaic.......because this is the worst possable news that I could get.......

Really, even though I have a lot of drives listed, I was putting myself on a limb because I'm over-taxing the largest to make up for the smaller ones.........so buying a new card right now isn't possable........plus that I could resell but I would take a hit........and the reason why I didn't go for NVidia was that there were so may available that it was hard to keep track of..........its like some newbie coming to you and saying "I have an intel processor"............it was almost impossable to keep up.......

The whole reason why I bought the darn thing was because of DOOM3.......not really much else.......

But I know myself, I will get an itch for a game sooner or later for a game and swaping video everytime I want to play is absurd......

right now my focus is going back to C++ and you only need lots of space and alot of patience, nicotine, caffine and bloody scalp from all of the hair you pull out to do that.......

Right now, i'm considering writing a driver..........or at least making an attempt.........if I can find out how.......because i'm a Microsoft Programmer, NOT Linux.....So it will be UGLY from any measure.....

if I could find some good source code, and some good documentation, I would idealistically should be able to make something that works...........but things are a lot more difficult in Linux..........so that's not certain........
 
Old 03-05-2006, 02:01 AM   #10
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The only caveat I can give to you is if it is a 64bit (or dual-core) processor. If so...Do more research. The 32bit distros will work, just won't be optimized for the hardware (kind of like putting a 2 cylinder engine in a Ferrari...It will work, but why?)
2 cylinder engine? Do they even make anything that small for cars???
 
Old 03-05-2006, 10:28 PM   #11
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2 cylinder engine? Do they even make anything that small for cars???
Well, his point is well taken.......but I'm really only looking for some software that will work......I'm only really worried about the resolution to may monitor........in fact, I don't even care if the dual monitor works...........

I just want linux to do programming, not much else........
 
Old 03-05-2006, 10:40 PM   #12
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You can get that video card to work ... IMO all the ATI card panic is overstated. In the 1st place, with the newer kernels, the VESA drivers work fine if all you're concerned about is good screen resolution. I think pretty much any distro will work, and it's just a matter of being willing to fight it a bit.

I find that after all the harware issues are settled out, the Linux drivers generally work better than Windows.
 
Old 03-05-2006, 11:21 PM   #13
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I've never had a problem getting an ATI card to work in any distro. Use the X11 VESA config and it should work fine.

As far as the whole 32bit vs 64 bit, unless you're doing some serious computing, you won't notice any difference.
 
Old 03-06-2006, 12:48 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by BeerSlinger
......Christ, video incompatablity again........I had a Diamond years ago that I had problems with that was unfixable.....what problems are there with the ATI?......
These are the ATI graphic cards supported by the ATI driver:

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(II) ATI Radeon/FireGL: The following chipsets are supported:
RADEON 9000/9000 PRO (RV250 4966), RADEON 9000 LE (RV250 4967),
MOBILITY FireGL 9000 (M9 4C64), MOBILITY RADEON 9000 (M9 4C66),
RADEON 9000 PRO (D9 4C67), RADEON 9250 (RV280 5960),
RADEON 9200 (RV280 5961), RADEON 9200 SE (RV280 5964),
MOBILITY RADEON 9200 (M9+ 5C61), MOBILITY RADEON 9200 (M9+ 5C63),
FireGL 8800 (R200 5148), RADEON 8500 (R200 514C),
RADEON 9100 (R200 514D), RADEON 8500 AIW (R200 4242),
RADEON 9600 (RV350 4150), RADEON 9600 SE (RV350 4151),
RADEON 9600 PRO (RV360 4152),
MOBILITY RADEON 9600/9700 (M10/M11 4E50),
MOBILITY RADEON 9550 (M12 4E56), RADEON 9500 (R300 4144),
RADEON 9600 TX (R300 4146), FireGL Z1 (R300 4147),
RADEON 9700 PRO (R300 4E44), RADEON 9500 PRO/9700 (R300 4E45),
RADEON 9600 TX (R300 4E46), FireGL X1 (R300 4E47),
RADEON 9800 SE (R350 4148), RADEON 9550 (RV350 4153),
FireGL T2 (RV350 4154), RADEON 9800 PRO (R350 4E48),
RADEON 9800 (R350 4E49), RADEON 9800 XT (R360 4E4A),
FireGL X2-256/X2-256t (R350 4E4B),
MOBILITY FireGL T2/T2e (M10/M11 4E54), RADEON X300 (RV370 5B60),
RADEON X600 (RV380 5B62), RADEON X550 (RV370 5B63),
FireGL V3100 (RV370 5B64), MOBILITY RADEON X300 (M22 5460),
MOBILITY RADEON X600 (M24 5462), MOBILITY FireGL V3100 (M22 5464),
RADEON X600 (RV380 3E50), FireGL V3200 (RV380 3E54),
MOBILITY RADEON X600 (M24 3150), MOBILITY RADEON X300 (M22 3152),
MOBILITY FireGL V3200 (M24 3154), RADEON X800 (R420 4A48),
RADEON X800 PRO (R420 4A49), RADEON X800 SE (R420 4A4A),
RADEON X800 XT (R420 4A4B), RADEON X800 (R420 4A4C),
FireGL X3-256 (R420 4A4D), MOBILITY RADEON 9800 (M18 4A4E),
RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition (R420 4A50), RADEON X800 (R423 5548),
RADEON X800 PRO (R423 5549),
RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition (R423 554A),
RADEON X800 SE (R423 554B), RADEON X800 XT (R423 5D57),
FireGL V7100 (R423 5550), FireGL V5100 (R423 5551),
MOBILITY RADEON X800 XT (M28 5D48), MOBILITY FireGL V5100 (M28 5D49),
RADEON X800 XL (R430 554D), RADEON X800 (R430 554F),
RADEON X850 XT Platinum Edition (R480 5D4D),
RADEON X850 PRO (R480 5D4F), RADEON X850 XT (R480 5D52),
MOBILITY FireGL V5000 (M26 564A), MOBILITY FireGL V5000 (M26 564B),
FireGL V5000 (RV410 5E48), RADEON X700 XT (RV410 5E4A),
RADEON X700 PRO (RV410 5E4B), RADEON X700 SE (RV410 5E4C),
RADEON X700 (RV410 5E4D), RADEON X700 (RV410 5E4F),
MOBILITY RADEON X700 (M26 5652), MOBILITY RADEON X700 (M26 5653),
MOBILITY RADEON X700 XL, RADEON 9100 IGP (RS300 5834),
RADEON 9000 PRO/9100 PRO IGP (RS350 7834),
MOBILITY RADEON 9000/9100 IGP (RS300M 5835),
RADEON XPRESS 200 (RS400 5A41), RADEON XPRESS 200M (RS400 5A42),
RADEON XPRESS 200 (RS480 5954), RADEON XPRESS 200M (RS480 5955),
RADEON XPRESS 200 (RS482 5974), RADEON XPRESS 200M (RS482 5975),
RADEON XPRESS 200 (RC410 5A61), RADEON XPRESS 200M (RC410 5A62)
If I'm not mistaken, your card is supported.

Even though the installation of the kernel module "fglrx" for the ATI cards is not easy, the support for ATI is getting better. I have no problems in installing this diver in many distros (SuSE, Fedora, Gentoo, Mandriva). I notice you have a Dual Monitor Setup, you can also do this with the "fglrx" kernel module, I've read how to do it but I didn't test it yet. Of course you have to do it carefully, and there is a likelihood that some problem will arise, but anyway just tell you my experience with ATI cards.
 
Old 03-06-2006, 01:17 AM   #15
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i have a desktop system with an ati card, and a lappy with ati onboard (or something).

as my lappy's graphics card is quite new, emerge on gentoo plucked the brand new drivers from its testing thingy, and it works great.

the desktop has had a lot of luck, but my luck ran out when i tried suse 10 with it. worst experience with a distro ever. your in for trouble if you try suse. fc4 and ubuntu have no problems though.

if you have a relitively new card, go for the 8.20+ drivers. most ones like the 9800 (i have a 9600) can use the 8.14+ drivers, but the 8.20+ drivers perform better.

my 2x10(to the power -2) cents worth.
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