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Old 12-30-2005, 12:07 PM   #1
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Crashes with every distribution I tried


Hello,

Yesterday I decided to get rid off Windows and wanted to start using Linux again. Mainly because there a lot of interesting video editing and 3D apps available for Linux. I have used Linux in the past; I had Ubuntu installed on my PC for a long time. It worked perfect and it never crashed. So I downloaded Ubuntu again yesterday (now version 5.10) and installed it. It went perfectly and after the reboot Ubuntu started for the first time. I wanted to reboot again because I changed some settings, but then Ubuntu suddenly crashed. I found it very strange, because it never happened before with Ubuntu. After resetting my PC Ubuntu booted again, and after a few minutes it crashed again. I thought: "Maybe there's something wrong with Ubuntu, let's try another distro".

I downloaded Arklinux and installed it. It all went perfectly fine. After the reboot I started using Arklinux. I opened the K Menu, and BANG!, my screen went all crazy and Arklinux froze completely. I tried it a few times again after rebooting but the same happened.

So I tried SUSE Linux, installation went very well. But when I wanted to shutdown the computer, it froze again. I started to get very sick of this.

I tried Fedora Core 4 this time, installation didn't give any problems. I started the update program to update all the packages in Fedora to the last version. It downloaded all the updates, but when it started to install them, my computer crashed again. I tried it a couple of times but all the time my PC froze. AAARGGGGGHH!!!

I decided to try out one more distro: Kubuntu. But in the last step of the installation, the installation of the packages, my computer crashed. I tried it a couple of times, but it happened all the time.

I think you can understand that I'm very desperate now.

The strange thing is, Windows never gave any problems. It never crashed.

The only thing that I can think of that maybe can cause this problem is that I had my graphics card (an Radeon 9600 XT from MSI) overclocked when I still had Windows. Maybe this is causing crashes or something? The overclocking never gave any problems in Windows.

Here are my system specs:

CPU: AMD Sempron 3000+ socket 754
Memory: Twinmos memory PC3200 400 MHz DDR SDRAM 1x 512 MB 1x 256 MB
HD: Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 80 GB, 7.200 rpm, 8 MB, SATA/150
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-K8NS
GPU: MSI RX9600XT-TD128 128 MB, DDR, AGP 8X (ATI Radeon 9600 XT)
DVD drive: Lite-On SOHD16P9S-34C 16x, 48x
Power supply: Cooler Master RS-380-PMSP eXtreme Power 380 Watt

I hope I gave enough info. Please forgive me if my English is bad sometimes, I'm Dutch.

I hope somebody can help me solve my problem!
 
Old 12-30-2005, 12:14 PM   #2
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Hi & welcome to Linuxquestions

Why don't you just download the previous version you had of Ubuntu? Must be either 4.10 or 5.04.

That should get you going, or maybe crashing again In that case you will know that the overclocking thing is causing the troubles.

Good luck & have fun
 
Old 12-30-2005, 01:57 PM   #3
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I also think that the overclocking is the first place to look. I have had bad luck trying to overclock CPU and RAM with Linux. I haven't tried to overclock a graphics card. It sounds like you didn't have time to install the ATI drivers. Combining the default radeon driver with overclocking may be the problem. You might be able to overclock the graphic card after the genuine ATI drivers are installed.

If the problem isn't caused by overclocking then it still sounds like a hardware problem.

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Old 12-30-2005, 02:32 PM   #4
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I put in another graphics card, and tried to install Kubuntu this time but the installer crashed at the same point, the installation of the packages. This is really starting to piss me off. Maybe I should memtest my memory or something.
 
Old 12-30-2005, 02:55 PM   #5
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If you have similar symptoms with even two different OSes, then it is almost certainly a hardware issue: Bad RAM, video card, hard drive, etc.

Can you boot into the BIOS configuration menu without any issues? Run whatever diagnostics are there
Do you have any DOS boot floppies or bootable CDs? Do they work?
 
Old 12-30-2005, 02:56 PM   #6
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Memtest is a good idea. With this many crashes I'd really begin to suspect something is wrong with the hardware, and Linux tends to be less tolerant of flaky hardware than Windows, from my experience. You might also check that your CPU isn't overheating. I'd also try un-overclocking the graphics card as mentioned above.
 
Old 12-30-2005, 03:08 PM   #7
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The video card was only overclocked in Windows: it was on a software level. My videocard was only overclocked when I started the program ATItool in Windows XP. I already put in another videocard, but the freezing problems are still there.

I searched through the Hardware Compatibility List on this site and found something interesting: (mmm, it seems I can't post URL's with less than 5 posts, just go to Motherboards -> Gigabyte -> Gigabyte GA-K8NS in the HCL)
They are reporting the same freezes and crashes. They say something about turning off APIC and local APIC. Now I only need to know how I can do this before installing Kubuntu, so the installer doesn't freeze.
 
Old 12-30-2005, 03:37 PM   #8
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Is there an option on the Kubuntu CD to edit the kernel arguments when it boots? Most install CDs have a way of changing the arguments passed to the kernel (usually under some menu called "advanced" or somesuch). Unfortunately, I've never used any of the Ubuntus so I don't know for sure how they do it. In any case, once you get to the point where you can edit the kernel arguments, append "noapic" (no quotes) to them, and you should be set.
 
Old 12-31-2005, 11:31 AM   #9
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I installed Kubuntu succesfully now with the kernel parameters apic=off and lapic=off. After the install I checked if GRUB also had these parameters in menu.lst. But I still get freezes now and then, a few minutes ago my PC froze again while booting Kubuntu. I hope I can still solve this problem, because you can't work comfortable when you are thinking all the time that your computer may lock up...

edit: My PC is freezing now every time when Kubuntu enters the login screen at startup......

Last edited by basalphenaar; 12-31-2005 at 11:37 AM.
 
Old 12-31-2005, 03:39 PM   #10
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I found this thread: (sorry, I still can't post links, my next post is the 6th post, so please look below for the URL)
This guy has the same motherboard as me. He was also experiencing lockups and freezes with Linux. He also had 2 memory chips, but he removed one of them and after that the freezes and lockups were over. I tried this too, and guess what? It seemed to have worked! I have rebooted over 5 times now and not a single time my computer locked up or freezed. The only disadvantage of this is that I now have 512 MB RAM instead of 768. I'm thinking about buying a single 1 GB memory chip now.
 
Old 12-31-2005, 03:39 PM   #11
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Thread I was referring to in my last post:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...hlight=GA-K8NS
 
Old 12-31-2005, 04:33 PM   #12
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Your perseverance is commendable. I suggest also contacting Gigabyte for help. You may not get any, but I feel that we need to keep the pressure on the vendors.
 
Old 12-31-2005, 05:45 PM   #13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by basalphenaar
I found this thread: (sorry, I still can't post links, my next post is the 6th post, so please look below for the URL)
This guy has the same motherboard as me. He was also experiencing lockups and freezes with Linux. He also had 2 memory chips, but he removed one of them and after that the freezes and lockups were over. I tried this too, and guess what? It seemed to have worked! I have rebooted over 5 times now and not a single time my computer locked up or freezed. The only disadvantage of this is that I now have 512 MB RAM instead of 768. I'm thinking about buying a single 1 GB memory chip now.

Are those two memory sticks a MATCHED SET? Most likely, one has faster latency timings than the other, if you put the SLOWER stick into slot 0, and the faster stick into slot 1, the problem may be solved.

I'm a *nix noob, but under windows, the OS "reads" the SPD from the first stick it encounters, ignoring any other sticks.

It is best to use two matched sticks of memory.
 
Old 12-31-2005, 09:59 PM   #14
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Yes, they are matched, both are PC3200 400 MHz TwinMos sticks with the exact same CAS latency. The only difference is that one is 512 MB and the other is 256 MB.
 
Old 12-31-2005, 10:00 PM   #15
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Your perseverance is commendable. I suggest also contacting Gigabyte for help. You may not get any, but I feel that we need to keep the pressure on the vendors.
You are absolutely right, I was also thinking about doing that.
 
  


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