I sort have guessed that Fedora 4 was "retired", but was not sure. Your reply has now confirmed it for me. Thanks everyone. Onward and fowared to Fedora 8, and I HOPE that it will not give me the problems that I read about in other threads in this forum. I am a "mixed newbie", meaning that I have done a lot of linux but am not a real "guru" yet. I am able to do a total install from a distibution DVD and even can do a number of admin tasks to setup my linux. My target system is mainly to compile and run text-based C++ programs that do serial I/O to data devices and to send data via ethernet sockets to other linux systems. Again, thank you everyone for you kind comments and suggestions.