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Old 05-14-2014, 03:18 PM   #16
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rokytnji:
Nice idea, to use what on this disk is called the 'Try Ubuntu without installing' option. Unfortunately I get the same result as when I try to install it: the Ubuntu logo with a row of twinkling dots and nothing happening.
Theres a 'Check disc for defects' option, too, which I ran, but it found no errors, so there can't be anything wrong with the disc or the lens.

The boot disc options are:
* Try Ubuntu without installing
* Install Ubuntu
* Check disc for defects
* Test memory
* Boot from first hard disk

I'm at a loss for what to try next.
 
Old 05-14-2014, 03:20 PM   #17
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Ubuntu may not be ideal, but it's the only boot disc I have, and I did get it working on this laptop before. Once this strange start-up problem is fixed, I'd like to install a lightweight distro. 'Slacko Puppy' sounds like it could be suitable, and it is small enough to download to my phone's memory card. Which is what I have already done, from
http://slacko.01micko.com/download.html

I have the two files
slacko-5.7-NO-pae.iso
and
slacko-5.7-NO-pae.iso.md5.txt
on a memory card, but I don't know what to do next.

Cross that bridge when I come to it, though, I suppose.

As for accessing the web via a USB cable attached to my 3G phone, it worked fine before... and why pay an ISP for something my phone company is already providing? It makes sense to me.

WiFi must surely be more complex and computationally demanding than a straightforward USB connection, so on an old computer wouldn't it necessarily be slow?
 
Old 05-14-2014, 04:08 PM   #18
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You have to know the nuts and bolts of linux to be more sure of a statement as to what requires more overhead or resources. While it may seem simple to connect to usb, it in fact may be more resource intensive. Almost no linux task is what is seems. While you may look and say this is just a usb connection, many people wrote code to get that to work. In many cases, some of that work was very very old from 2400 baud time. Many of those items haven't been updated.

Many newish wifi nic's have things like checksum offloading and other features that don't impact the main system as much.

The only way would be to test.
 
Old 05-14-2014, 04:27 PM   #19
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Ok, Something is fubar from

Quote:
so I've bought a second-hand laptop and installed Ubuntu version 10.04.1 LTS from a CD borrowed from the library.
to

Quote:
Oh no! I've put the RAM cards back in and switched it on, but now Ubuntu won't start up.
to

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Unfortunately I get the same result as when I try to install it: the Ubuntu logo with a row of twinkling dots and nothing happening.
Theres a 'Check disc for defects' option, too, which I ran, but it found no errors, so there can't be anything wrong with the disc or the lens.
I myself am at a lose as to what because I am posting from a a ancient

Code:
$ inxi -M
Machine:   Mobo: IBM model: 26474MU
           Bios: IBM v: 1AET64WW (1.20 ) date: 10/18/2006
IBM T23 running AntiX 13.2 listening to mocp playing my music files.

Code:
┌────────┤/home/harry/Music/CD├────────┐┌──────────────┤Playlist├──────────────┐
│../                                   ││                                      │
│AWOLNATION - Sail (LD).wav [     |WAV]││                                      │
│Boris Blenn - Mellow - Orig[     |MP3]││                                      │
│Buckethead - Soothsayer (LD[     |WAV]││                                      │
│Peter_Peters-Chillpalace-Wh[     |MP3]││                                      │
│Robyn - Cobrastyle.mp3     [     |MP3]││                                      │
│Robyn 'Dancehall Queen'.mp3[     |MP3]││                                      │
│Robyn - Do You Know (What I[     |MP3]││                                      │
│Robyn - Show Me Love.mp3   [03:49|MP3]││                                      │
│Robyn - Who's That Girl.mp3[03:56|MP3]││                                      │
│Scandal;Patty Smyth - Goodb[03:42|WAV]││                                      │
│Shapeshifter - Summer Haze [     |MP3]││                                      │
│Siouxsie and the Banshees -[     |WAV]││                                      │
│Stabbing Westward - Shame ([     |WAV]││                                      │
│Steve Earle - Fuck the FCC [     |WAV]││                                      │
│Steve Earle- The Revolution[     |WAV]││                                      │
│THE PRODIGY - voodoo people[     |WAV]││                                      │
│The Smithereens-A Girl Like[     |WAV]││                                      │
│The Tubes - She's A Beauty [     |WAV]││                                      │
│7 Nicola Conte - Bossa Per [     |MP3]││                                      │
├────┤Playing...               ├──────────┤          PCM  96%  ├───┤>000:11:27├┤
│ > Scandal;Patty Smyth - Goodbye To You (LD).wav                              │
│01:06 02:36 [03:42]   44kHz     kbps [STEREO] [NET] [SHUFFLE] [REPEAT] [NEXT] │
└┤
As far as Wifi goes. I am on a

Code:
$ inxi -N
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller
           driver: e100
           Card-2: Ralink RT2800 802.11n PCI driver: rt2800pci
And not straining a thing posting. Without a spare DVDROM drive to test.
Like I have on the shelf for this Laptop.
It is kinda hard to say what is wrong because at 1 point you could boot ubuntu 10.04 and install it OK. You pulled the ram sticks and put them back in. Ubuntu failed to boot from Hardrive. CD failed to boot from dvdrom. It's a wonderment to me here in Texas since I am
not standing in the same room and physically looking at the gear to make sure things are seated and working OK. Pulling ram cover and pulling ram.

Should not have caused the hard drive to go south and not boot.

Should not have caused the cd drive to go south and not boot.

The only thing I have seen is that when ram is fubared. No bios screen. No signal.
Beeps from the computer to troubleshoot. No grub screen. No cd grub screen.

You, from your description of what is going wrong. Is way above my pay grade and skill set
to figure out what went wrong. And I am pretty good at tinkering with hardware.

 
Old 05-14-2014, 06:07 PM   #20
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i'll try to sum this up one more time:

ONE:

i suppose your computer is working again after opening it up.

TWO:

the fact that you booted ubuntu 10.04 has nothing to do with what ubuntu nowadays is.
in terms of 2014, ubuntu 10.04 would be a lightweight distro, but it's not supported anymore anyway.

hardware support is a doublesided sword with linux - on one hand linux development lags a bit behind hardware (and windows) development, so with ultra-new hardware one usually has problems with linux; if the hardware is too old, on the other hand, it causes problems for 2 reasons:
1) it's not powerful enough to run a modern desktop environment
2) kernel developers seem to be dropping support for less-than mainstream hardware after some time.

now you say, great, then ubuntu 10.04 is the perfect distro for me! because it's just as old as my computer.
this would be true if you would never update your system and never install a new software.

as things are, you need a distro that is still being updated but is suitable for old hardware.
fortunately, such distros are plentiful (and please, don't use puppy or any of its derivates).

THREE:

the phone: connecting to the internet like you do now - well it's very much possible, but these days it's just not done so often anymore.
what i suggested means that you keep your existing mobile phone/internet contract, but you use a somewhat newer android phone (in my country i could get a used one for 20€). so, for your ISP, nothing changes. the phone connects to the internet, but at the same time it creates a wifi hotspot, which your computer can connect to.
imho, this means neither more nor less system load, but has the advantage that you're using a better supported technique, wich is wlan or wifi or just wireless.
in the end this means less hassle for you because you are "outsourcing" the mobile broadband trickyness to your phone.
just a suggestion.

Last edited by ondoho; 05-14-2014 at 06:11 PM.
 
Old 05-14-2014, 07:17 PM   #21
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Ondoho:

After all you said, I thought you'd approve of 'Slacko Puppy'. What's so wrong with it?

I like my simple Nokia 'C2-01' phone very much, and I don't want to upgrade to something complicated I don't properly understand, thanks. Also, I find WiFi and Bluetooth a bit creepy and sinister. I like to be able to see when a thing is connected to another thing. (What's so wrong with cables?)

So, I'm sticking to plan 'A'.

Thanks very much for your time, anyway.
 
Old 05-14-2014, 07:19 PM   #22
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rokytnji:

Oh dear. Looks like the undocumented option

* Heave the tarfu thing into a skip and put it all down to experience

is favourite again. [I think what we in the UK call a 'skip' you in the US may call a 'dumpster'?]

(You have commendably eclectic taste in music, I see. Since you are Texan, I assume you know the Wichita Falls band 'Bedhead' (aka 'The New Year')?
Being from Southern England, I hadn't heard of them until recently, but I have now become a little obsessed with them. Highly recommended.)

OK, I give up. It's going into a skip.

Sorry to have wasted your time.
 
Old 05-14-2014, 07:35 PM   #23
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As a matter of connecting to the internet, you could just use bluetooth and DUN (Dial up netwoking). Its really simple and works perfectly with any phone. Did you get Linux up and running or not? Don't throw it away, man! You can use ANY distro you want. Just get the XFCE desktop. If nothing else you would be able to surf the net and listen to music, play videos and even make music and write programs if you want. Your system would be underpowered if you try to do some things, but for everyday internet and multimedia usage it will do fine.
 
Old 05-14-2014, 08:16 PM   #24
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Buy the Puppy disk I linked to and wait till it comes in before you cave in. OOPs. 20 bucks order before free worldwide shipping. I missed that.

IO wrote that reply out while tediously testing out New Menu and login for new live AntiX 15.
It is a redious task I am on as I am a distro team member that is the monkey test subject before a release
is given.

Right now since I lastr posted I replaced /etc/slim.conf and a boatload of config files in /.icewm,/.fluxbox,/.jwm,etc/skel/////////

My mind is in a spin because it is a step by step process as I rename original files to backup and copy over new ones for the developer.

Right now I am at a blank screen with a X mouse pointer and login with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace and then login and use startx.

So if I can be that patient. You can be also. The link I gave ships worldwide and shipping is free and cd is 3 bucks american.

One of my best media centers came out of a skip/dumpster by the way.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d-deliver-174/

PS. My music interests are all over the planet

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post5159089

Posted from my IBM m57 wireless desktop because I am taking a break from testing.

Code:
# inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: puppypc13232 Kernel: 3.2.13-ski i686 (32 bit, gcc: 4.3.4) 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.10.0 (Gtk 2.24.8) Distro: Carolina Linux Linux 3.2.13-ski [ arch]
Machine:   System: LENOVO product: 6075BHU version: ThinkCentre M57
           Mobo: LENOVO model: LENOVO Bios: LENOVO version: 2RKT41AUS date: 03/20/2008
CPU:       Dual core Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2160 (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3) bmips: 7185.86 
           Clock Speeds: 1: 1800.00 MHz 2: 1800.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0 
           X.org: 1.11.0 drivers: intel (unloaded: vesa) tty size: 80x24 Advanced Data: N/A for root 
Audio:     Card: Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: 1.0.24
Network:   Card-1: Ralink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI driver: rt61pci ver: 2.3.0 bus-ID: 11:0c.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e ver: 1.5.1-k port: 1820 bus-ID: 00:19.0
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: (3400.7GB,5.3% used) () 1: id: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD3200AAKS size: 320.1GB temp: 43C 
           2: id: /dev/sdb model: ST380815AS size: 80.0GB temp: 44C 3: id: /dev/sde model: External_USB_3.0 size: 3000.6GB temp: 0C 
Partition: ID: swap-1 size: 1.07GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
RAID:      No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 123 Uptime: 1 day Memory: 312.5/3753.4MB Runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.3.4 
           Client: Shell (bash 3.00.16) inxi: 1.9.17
So hang in there and be strong. Happy trails, Rok

Tou will see it is worth it.

Edit: if you were my neighbor. I download and burn you a cd. I have done this in the past for other Linux members in America.
Don't you know anybody in Southern England with a computer who can download and burn you a cd?
We are pretty neighborly in Texas.
I hope you can say the same for Southern England.

Last edited by rokytnji; 05-14-2014 at 09:15 PM. Reason: Computer Dazed
 
Old 05-15-2014, 11:34 AM   #25
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Thanks, all, for the words of encouragement.

If I'm to persist with this, I really need some practical ideas, though, as well as bloodymindedness and patience.

The current situation is:

If I start it up without any disk, it produces all those error messages I reported before.
If I start it up with the Ubuntu 10.04 boot disk, it will do the various tests on the boot menu, all of which the laptop passes with flying colours, but it won't install Ubuntu.
If I start it up with a disk onto which a neighbourly Southern English person has burned the two files
slacko-5.7-NO-pae.iso
and
slacko-5.7-NO-pae.iso.md5.txt
that I downloaded from
http://slacko.01micko.com/download.html ,
then it ignores the disk and behaves as if no disk were there - i.e. all those error messages again.

Now, that seems to me to be a dead end.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Last edited by GrhmN; 05-15-2014 at 11:38 AM. Reason: naming files; minor typo
 
Old 05-15-2014, 12:13 PM   #26
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If I start it up with a disk onto which a neighbourly Southern English person has burned the two files
slacko-5.7-NO-pae.iso
and
slacko-5.7-NO-pae.iso.md5.txt
that I downloaded from
http://slacko.01micko.com/download.html ,
then it ignores the disk and behaves as if no disk were there - i.e. all those error messages again.

Now, that seems to me to be a dead end.
Are you saying you got some neighbor to burn you the 2 Slack0 Cds (Edit: misread md5. Which is only to comapre with a md5sum checker in Windows. Not burned to cd)

and they are not read
on bootup by the cdrom drive either?

Because the need to be burned as a Image. Not as Data which you seem to describe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsl-Js5R0hg

Last edited by rokytnji; 05-15-2014 at 12:20 PM.
 
Old 05-19-2014, 05:24 PM   #27
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Right. Update.

I've cheated and paid a very helpful fellow in the local computer shop to sort it out for me. It was a problem with the disk partitioning, or something like that.

I'm now running Lubuntu v14.04, which seems to be good, and fast. It recognised my phone as a modem as soon as it was plugged in, which was pleasing.
I've still not actually connected to the net with it, but that's an issue with the phone company, not the computer, and I'm optimistic it'll be sorted tomorrow.

Thanks to you all for your help and encouragement.

(I hope you don't feel I've let the side down by seeking professional advice and assistance !)

Last edited by GrhmN; 05-19-2014 at 06:51 PM. Reason: 'Partitioning'
 
Old 05-19-2014, 10:56 PM   #28
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