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Old 01-11-2014, 06:48 PM   #1
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configuring Tbird new - after upgrade to a new opensuse: why is this necesary?


dear linux experts,

i have upgrade opensuse from 12.3 to 13.1 - all went nice and i thougth that i can use Thunderbird as i did before.
note - have tbird with enigmail. and all of the things was workin perfectly - untill the update to the new Version of opensuse.


well - if i try to start tbird now - i get the following message:

Quote:
Could not initialize the application's security component. The most likely cause is problems with files in your application's profile directory. Please check that this directory has no read/write restrictions and your hard disk is not full or close to full. It is recommended that you exit the application and fix the problem. If you continue to use this session, you might see incorrect application behaviour when accessing security features.
note: i can see the keys in the KGpg programe.

i do not know why the tbird does not start!?

any idea how i can go any step further - how to investigate the issues and problems?



update; note - now the tbird starts but i

- cannot send the mails
- cannot save the drafts to a folder - the system denies that!


how to check further options and possibilities to fix the system!? What can i do now!?



second update:

while i have serious issues with the usage of tBird and enigmail after upgrading form opensuse version 12.2 to verison 13.1
i check for the issues that may cause this behaviour

well - the fact that i cannot store drafts makes me thinking that the paths may be wrong or just unusable.
i guess that i am not able to use the "old" paths.


if i look to an user-profile then i have a closer look at the paths - eg. the server settings:

if we take this one - message storage in

Local directory:

[i have the following path]


/home/martin/.thunderbird/3qyttgqd.default/ImapMail/imap.web.de

well if i try to "browse" (note there is a button that allows me to browse) then i see funny things


The Local Directory path "/home/martin" is not suitable for message storage. Please choose another directory.

well - is it true that i cannot use the directory. why?

update:



Some of my nasty problems seem to be that the OpenSuse version of Thunderbird has the code to check for dangerous directories, but
doesn't have the bug fixes to turn that just into warnings. Well this makes me sad. What a pity.

Well hmm in my humble opinion this behaviour is probably based on TB 24.0, well but not on version 24.2.0.

That is one of the risks of using a build provided by my distro rather than using the latest version from Mozilla.


Well its possible my enigmail problems are also due to a bug fix i don't have, but I don't track engimail's status enough to know that.
Well some friends suggested me to consider installing a Linux build of Thunderbird from the Mozilla web site.

That will give you more frequent bug fixes (if you don't disable it checking for new versions) and hopefully avoid some problems because
then we would be much much more mainstream.

Well it could also have to do with the specific builds use a different profiles.ini file,

I for one don't know very much about OpenSuse.

Well considering the upgrade i would have to move the profile per http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_you..._-_Thunderbird
See http://kb.mozillazine.org/Dangerous_..._-_Thunderbird .


Hmm - well i will investigate further - but on a first step i had a quick view on the versions i run on opensuse 13.1

KGpg Version 2.10.1
Unter KDE 4.11.3

Thunderbird 24.2.0


how to check enigmail verison via console?

Look forward to hear from you

greetings

Last edited by sayhello_to_the_world; 01-12-2014 at 09:53 AM.
 
Old 01-12-2014, 11:22 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by sayhello_to_the_world View Post
dear linux experts,
i have upgrade opensuse from 12.3 to 13.1 - all went nice and i thougth that i can use Thunderbird as i did before. note - have tbird with enigmail. and all of the things was workin perfectly - untill the update to the new Version of opensuse.
Based on the NUMEROUS THREADS you posted:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...on-4175490164/
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ay-4175489409/
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ce-4175489376/
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ne-4175488860/
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ne-4175488964/

...the upgrade did not go 'nice', and you've had LOTS of problems/issues, stemming from the fact you decided against lots of advice (even from openSUSE), to do an upgrade between major versions, which is NOT A GOOD IDEA.
Quote:
well - if i try to start tbird now - i get the following message: note: i can see the keys in the KGpg programe. i do not know why the tbird does not start!? any idea how i can go any step further - how to investigate the issues and problems?

update; note - now the tbird starts but i
- cannot send the mails
- cannot save the drafts to a folder - the system denies that!

how to check further options and possibilities to fix the system!? What can i do now!?
second update:
while i have serious issues with the usage of tBird and enigmail after upgrading form opensuse version 12.2 to verison 13.1 i check for the issues that may cause this behaviour well - the fact that i cannot store drafts makes me thinking that the paths may be wrong or just unusable. i guess that i am not able to use the "old" paths. if i look to an user-profile then i have a closer look at the paths - eg. the server settings: if we take this one - message storage in

Local directory: [i have the following path] /home/martin/.thunderbird/3qyttgqd.default/ImapMail/imap.web.de
well if i try to "browse" (note there is a button that allows me to browse) then i see funny things The Local Directory path "/home/martin" is not suitable for message storage. Please choose another directory. well - is it true that i cannot use the directory. why?
update:

Some of my nasty problems seem to be that the OpenSuse version of Thunderbird has the code to check for dangerous directories, but doesn't have the bug fixes to turn that just into warnings. Well this makes me sad. What a pity. Well hmm in my humble opinion this behaviour is probably based on TB 24.0, well but not on version 24.2.0.

That is one of the risks of using a build provided by my distro rather than using the latest version from Mozilla.
You seem to still be missing the point. You botched the upgrade initially; you sort-of got things working, and you're SURPRISED that running a version of a program that has not yet been officially added to your distro is causing problems. If it was supported, it would work correctly. If you had actually done a fresh install (as you were advised to NUMEROUS times), it would work correctly. You didn't....so don't be surprised when you keep having problems.

Chances are it's a permissions issue on the directory. Have you tried running the version of Thunderbird that IS supported? And you apparently haven't been reading your other threads:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...se-4175489155/
Quote:
Well its possible my enigmail problems are also due to a bug fix i don't have, but I don't track engimail's status enough to know that. Well some friends suggested me to consider installing a Linux build of Thunderbird from the Mozilla web site.

That will give you more frequent bug fixes (if you don't disable it checking for new versions) and hopefully avoid some problems because then we would be much much more mainstream. Well it could also have to do with the specific builds use a different profiles.ini file,
If your 'friends' are suggesting something, then get your friends to help you. Running ANY bleeding-edge build of software does not 'avoid' problems, but typically CREATES them. If you want stability, then use what is supplied with/tested by the OS vendor. If you want to have problems, keep doing what you're doing.
Quote:
I for one don't know very much about OpenSuse.

Well considering the upgrade i would have to move the profile per http://kb.mozillazine.org/Moving_you..._-_Thunderbird
See http://kb.mozillazine.org/Dangerous_..._-_Thunderbird . Hmm - well i will investigate further - but on a first step i had a quick view on the versions i run on opensuse 13.1

KGpg Version 2.10.1 Unter KDE 4.11.3 Thunderbird 24.2.0
how to check enigmail verison via console?
See your OTHER thread where you asked this exact same question.
 
Old 01-12-2014, 05:09 PM   #3
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hello dear TBone

many many thanks for the reply - as mentioned several times: i adore and appreciate all your ideas thoughts and tipps.
They are great: And yes: i did a fresh install - on one of my notebooks. And i can second all your ideas - suggestions.
You are right - if we do a fresh installation - we do not run into issues.



well - as mentioned above i ve got two notebooks

- one on which i did a fresh installation of opensuse 13.1 - on that i have tbird running fine with all
- the posts
- the full access to every account and all works ince


-besides this noteboook i have a second one - where i runned a upgrade fom opensuse 12.3 to version 13.1 with the upgrad-script which is uses by thousands.

see (unfortunatley it is in German - see and have a closer look;

http://www.sebastian-siebert.de/2013...-einem-skript/

http://www.sebastian-siebert.de/down...de-opensuse.sh


now i try to fix the tbird issues. But - as mentioned above. The tbird runs vers very well on the machine with the fresh installation. And therefore i am happy.


i am convinced - you have said it. Doing a fresh installation is the best way.


i ve learned alot!

greetings
 
Old 01-12-2014, 05:19 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by sayhello_to_the_world View Post
hello dear TBone
many many thanks for the reply - as mentioned several times: i adore and appreciate all your ideas thoughts and tipps. They are great: And yes: i did a fresh install - on one of my notebooks. And i can second all your ideas - suggestions. You are right - if we do a fresh installation - we do not run into issues.
So why post this?
Quote:
well - as mentioned above i ve got two notebooks
Where did you mention this?
Quote:
- one on which i did a fresh installation of opensuse 13.1 - on that i have tbird running fine with all
- the posts
- the full access to every account and all works ince

-besides this noteboook i have a second one - where i runned a upgrade fom opensuse 12.3 to version 13.1 with the upgrad-script which is uses by thousands.
...which is the one you POSTED ABOUT IN THIS THREAD, since you led off with "i have upgrade opensuse from 12.3 to 13.1"...which says that you're STILL posting about the one with the botched upgrade, so the second one that you did a fresh install on has absolutely NO BEARING on this post.
Quote:
see (unfortunatley it is in German - see and have a closer look;
http://www.sebastian-siebert.de/2013...-einem-skript/
http://www.sebastian-siebert.de/down...de-opensuse.sh
No thanks, I'm not going to translate things, and as you've been told MANY times, by MANY people here, upgrading between major versions is a BAD IDEA. Since there are 'thousands' of people (supposedly) that have used this script, why don't you post in their forums with any of the several problems you've had, since quite obviously the script DOESN'T WORK???
Quote:
now i try to fix the tbird issues. But - as mentioned above. The tbird runs vers very well on the machine with the fresh installation. And therefore i am happy.

i am convinced - you have said it. Doing a fresh installation is the best way. i ve learned alot!
Yet you've continued to post over and over again, trying to fix problems caused by a botched upgrade, which you were warned against doing from the very start. I'm sure you'll open another thread about this same botched upgrade...with the same results.
 
  


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