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Old 12-06-2002, 08:04 PM   #31
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Oh, and while I think about it, if, like me you are a reformed window$ drone, then boy have you got a suprise coming!!!!! linux isn't a "learning curve", it's a "learning mountain"

Linux isn't hard, but it's different, very, very, different, compared to window$.

I have only been at this linux lark for about 6 months and I still know the square root of f**k all about it.

My only real advice is what ever you want to do, then www.google.com/linux, do a search and read, read, read.

That could be why I still know zero, because I hate reading off a screen and I am looking for the holy grail - an easy to follow, straight forward linux book! Most of them are pants, and often your only recourse will be the forums - neo77777 is just one of those excellent, knowledgeable and helpful people you will find here.

Linux frustrates the hell out of me, but I'm a stubborn git - I would also recommend plenty of booze, strong coffee and plenty of cigarettes (well that's if you're a smoker). The booze to chill when it's really pissing you off, the coffee because it can be quite addictive and the cigarettes to smoke, with or without any herbal additive that you may enjoy

regards

John

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Old 12-06-2002, 08:58 PM   #32
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John, thanks for backing me up, 'cause I really wanted to conduct an experiment, I got myself a spare AMD Athlon XP 1800+ processor and a board, and I have downloaded Mandrake9, now I am building the test machine, I got a speedtouch modem from one of my friends, and I am almost done, I need an HDD , so I'd give exact details on what is going on. Thanks for coming forward and explaining a newbie how it's done in monkey sees monkey does terms, really appreciate it, you know it's real hard sometimes to got to the same level with an opponent, I mean in computer's skill and knowledge terms, so I though that by conducting such experiment will bullet-proof the installation of the damn drivers, I was going to sit here on LQ typing with one hnd what I am doing with the other on the test machine to the point where the modem recognized b/c to go beyond this point (connecting to the net) I'd have to switch ISP, which I am not going to do at least for a year unless something drastic happens on speakeasy.net side, which I don't want to happen.

Magis, how are we doing? What have you done so far?
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Old 12-07-2002, 05:31 AM   #33
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Just some other stuff!!!

Just for info neo77777,

You may or may not have noticed from my posts, I much prefer Opera for my browsing - Just not used to mozilla or any of the others - anyway, when I downloaded the rpm, I managed to get it installed - but the quandary was the static qt version or shared qt version - I couldn't understand why I didn't get the icon on my desktop when I installed it,

After a few posts, Chad (masterc)started posting hints, but I still couldn't get my head round it - I often don't understand the terminology and syntax of peoples instructions for linux - hence the requests for the "monkey see, monkey do" assistance.

Anyhow, I seem to recall Chad saying that he has mandy 9.0 loaded aswell as some others and he took screen shots for me as to how to produce the link to application, uploaded them to some sort of server, did an account name/public password and just sent me the address etc.

I ended up just printing the screenies off and still have them here as a reference. Now that was a mega way of passing the information. I hope to learn that eventually, but I still aint got a "scooby do"! how.


It's just that when I saw magis's post, I thought yipee, a thread that I can help with (rather than the sarcastic/ironic arsehole comments that I usually manage) - cos I was where magis is now (well still am really) not so long back, and knowing that the speedtouch usb is more popular in Europe than the States, hence busting in on your assistance (sorry, no offence intended).

Anyway, seasons greetings to you and not so sunny Brooklyn (probably).


regards

John

p.s. besides, while the extra "spare" pc would be an excellent idea to experiment with, I am only too aware as to how many different distro's you must have tried, having seen your posts on many, many different subjects and distro's - personally I gonna stick with mandrake for the foreseeable future - it's only taken me nearly 6 months to get my head round that, without trying to get used to something else!!!!! + it has the rep for being relatively "easy" (lies, lies, lies - anything that I can't understand straight away MUST be difficult - either that or I'm just plain stupid)

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Old 12-07-2002, 09:26 AM   #34
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Thank you John.
It is sunny now in Brooklyn, after a day of snow that we got two days before, now it is darn sunny and cold; well, it is above 0 Celcius so snow has melted there and there creating a mess, just that day when it was snowing I was at work and I went downstairs to smoke, you know we have to leave the building to smoke, it was cold,windy, and snowing, I smoked and went back upstairs when I got a call from my girlfriend asking me how I got to work and if I was wearing the boots, I told her that when I went to work earlier in the morning it wasn't snowing so I wore shoes, and I told her that I am OK with them and I looked at my shoes .... boom!!! The sole on both of them cracked in the middle. New shoes that I wore for less than a month were trashed, man I was furious, I got me new shoes yesterday.... Yeah, that's my little story.
As for speed touch, I really, really appresciate your help and willingness to help this desperate member, 'cause it is all a teamwork, right?
Good day body, John I hope it is a pleasant weather in UK right now, well I will see it wen I watch Premier League on Pay-per-View a bit later (again free as in beer for me).
Ok, talk to you later.
Happy holidays everybody.
 
Old 12-09-2002, 08:48 AM   #35
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HI,
I'm having same problem.Using a dual boot withMandrake 9 and WinXP pro installed.Alcatel broadband modem and Freeserve ISP in UK.
Not sure if it's just that the ISP is incompatible with Linux.Did read that quite a few ISP's in UK aren't set up for it.
When i installed Mandrake 9 i got that message at first and it said to copy the mgmt.o [not the whole bundle] in /usr/shares/speedtouch, which i managed to do through drag and drop[god knows how] I believe i clicked on the mgmt.o file and i think something happened which might have installed it.Must have worked because it doesn't ask me for the microcode anymore.
Problem i have now is still not being able to connect to internet.
I set up modem correctly, i think, but when i try connecting through KDE it just gets stuck on 'INITIALISING MODEM'.
When in root through Gnome, it say's 'MODEM CAN'T INITIALISE'.Does it need some kind of AT command? 'cos when i query the modem, it checks it and says it's ready, but nothing comes up in the results box [i'm assuming something should be listed there].
Any ideas guys, because i think it might simply be down to my useless ISP.
Thanx.
P.S.
neo77777 the weather is atrocious here right now.

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Old 12-10-2002, 12:02 PM   #36
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don't know about freeserve !!!!

Well JimX,

I haven't really got a clue about gnome, but that's probably because my mandy 9 install went for kde - I just took all the recommened "offerings", but I should say to start by looking in /usr/share/speedtouch, there should be (as far as I can work out) the mgmt.o file and one that shows the "speedtouch.sh" shell. What either of them do, god only knows (then again, what I know about linux could be written on the back of a very small postage stamp!!).

I use pipex as my isp, and while they don't seem to offer much in the way of a "linux service", I have just adapted the window$ related stuff and it has worked.

Perhaps you could try logging in with KDE, wouldn't know if that would make a difference.

But as the broadband service is always on, and if you recall the setup in the connection wizard, all that I put in is "pipex.com" for a service name, UK for the country, and my username/password - I don't bother with IP's a it just confuses me! Don't forget the make sure that you follow the rest of the prompt's i.e. that it's a "speedtouch connection" etc.

I have got mine to start at boot, so I get to see the lights flashing on the modem and the progress in the boot/startup dialogue.

Or maybe try redoing the install of the microcode (I keep a copy of the driver from the alcatel/thomson site onto floppy).

I double checked my suggestion in the earlier post to make sure that it works, and as far as I can tell it should.

I suppose that the mgmt.o could have ended up anywhere but in the speedtouch directory.

Apart from that, i'll have to pass.

regards

John

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Old 12-10-2002, 03:57 PM   #37
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Thanx for replying Bigjohn,
Same here, know pee all about Linux, but keen to learn.
Yeah, I've tried it through KDE as well, but no joy.BTW Gnome was the only way i could boot into ROOT.If i tried to root with KDE i got a warning message.Another conundrum [anybody know why???]
Connecting at BOOT might be the secret.That's the only thing i haven't tried and it sounds promising, so i'll be giving that a shot.
Otherwise, Pipex might be a better proposition.
 
Old 12-10-2002, 05:28 PM   #38
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Nice bigjohn, made me feel a lot better

Neo77777, no progress to date, or anything like it should be. I have tried to follow the instructions in the link i posted earlier but just got lost somewhere.

Bigjohn hit the nail on the head when he said, booze coffee and cigarettes. I layed off for a few days to clear my head but will now attempt what bigjohn tried. Sounds feasible and in laymans language, just.

I do appreciate you help though and i hope this can help others as this bitch of a modem is no fun.

Will post later if i can advance any further. Mandrake sure looks pretty sitting here on my desktop but without an internet connection its so darn frustrating.

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Old 12-10-2002, 06:02 PM   #39
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So nearly, or so i thought. I followed bigjohns instructions and everything went as he stated. Then up comes mandrake and says do you want to connect to the internet and i happily said yes.

But unhappily, it was not to be. Connection failed.

Question: Did bigjohn have to install all the other little things like sarib, kernel module etc. Or is his modem sweeter than mine.

I have to agree, linux makes you stubborn

To be continued............i hope

Thanks all
 
Old 12-12-2002, 03:30 AM   #40
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more ???

Well magis,

The answer is no, because of my relative lack of linux knowledge, every time I have had a little disaster and things hve started to go "pear shaped" I have had to re-install the OS. So my install is all the stuff down the left hand side of the "package selection box" that comes up when you are installing the OS. It makes it a very slow and labourious task (especially as half of the disasters involved me not being able to access my window$ install, and re-installing that as well - but I did eventually find out that you can re-install the window$ main boot record "MBR" by booting from the first of the mandrake cd's and whichever "F" button it mentions about for other install methods and typing "rescue" - that was a god send!!!).

Anyhow, I digress, when you have followed the instructions in my post, I usually get the connection failed message as well. I try to connect a couple of times and get the same, so I go back into the mandrake control centre "MCC" and re-input the connection and make sure that I select the "connect at boot" option, it should then give you the "do you want to try and connect to the internet now" option. From memory, it usually tells me that the connection has failed there as well. But I don't get the "you need to get the microcode message". I then reboot and if you watch the lights on the modem you should then (in theory) see the lights on the modem going through the initialisation process (I don't remember the exact order or where I read about it, but I think tha t you would have to get the instructions file from the thomson/alcatel site) anyway, first you get just a single red, then two greens, then green constant and flashing amber from the other light, then green and flashing green, followed by two constant greens when it has finished the process. It works the same if you watch the lights when you first boot into window$, as in when you are waiting for the indication that the modem is ready and you get the little icon in the bottom right of your window$ task bar to show that the modem is detected/ready.

As far as seeing whether you have a connection is concerned, unless you get the "network monitoring" dialogue box come up when you try to connect manually (it has a graphic image of a little oscillascope type graph with line that indicate that you have got two way traffic.) - you will have to open a console shell, and type su and type in your root password and enter, then just type in ifconfig and enter and you should get two paragraphs of info about the connection.

hang on, let me just boot back into linux and i'll try and show you what it should look like - I might be about an hour or two as i've got the surveyor coming round at 0930.

regards

John
 
Old 12-12-2002, 04:17 AM   #41
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I'm back!!!!

[bigjohn@localhost bigjohn]$ su
Password:
[root@localhost bigjohn]# ifconfig
lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:10 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:10 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:700 (700.0 b) TX bytes:700 (700.0 b)

ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
inet addr:81.86.134.65 P-t-P:81.86.128.1 Mask:255.255.255.255
UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:1066 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:1107 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:3
RX bytes:513697 (501.6 Kb) TX bytes:237524 (231.9 Kb)

[root@localhost bigjohn]#

as I said in my earlier post, when you ifconfig (as root) your connection should show up in your console like this (above).

Again, that's just following my own instructions. Because as I am still a little paranoid about leaving the connection up and running without a firewall running - on one of my previous efforts, I used the "shorewall" facility, but as I'm not "au fait" with configuration, it wouldn't let me in to access the net, even though my "ifconfig" info showed that my conncetion was running. The only way I could get in was when I booted into linux and the startup dialogue said about pressing "I" for the interactive startup, and then answering y or n to the questions and of course telling it "n" when it asked me if I wanted to start shorewall - anyhow, I still have to work out how to kill the connection when I am finished surfing.

As far as the KDE "krootwarning" is concerned when you log into root under KDE, it always does that, because as root, you are logged in as the system administrator and you can do absolutely anything, including screw up the install completely. In fact, that is why you should only log into root to do the things that you need to then log out of it - in other words, stay logged in as your user name, and when you tell it to do something that should be done as root, you usually get the "request root password" dialogue box. I think I am correct that if someone is trying to hack you, they are usually trying to gain root priviledges, then in theory, they could do all sorts of things, but as far as I can suss out, that's a much reduced problem under linux as the hackers and crackers are, more often than not after the server side of things - again, this is only personal paranoia.

As far as your question about the sarlib and kernel sources and stuff like that, if you go to the mandrake users board and search for a thread started by me (bigjohn) about mandrake 8.2 and alcatel speedtouch modem's, I seem to recall that was some of the advice that I was given when I was trying to sort that out. but I didn't need to do any of that when I was sorting out my connection for mandrake 9.0 as most of the out of the box support was corrected and you only had to get the microcode.

I'll leave it there for the moment, for you to be able to give it a try and check out the bits that I have mentioned.

regards

John

p.s if any of the moderators or jeremy read this, would you be able to establish why I can't use the spell check facility under opera 6.11 please? i.e. is it something I need to check out at my end.

Thanks

John
 
Old 12-12-2002, 08:34 AM   #42
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a bit more

Whenever I want to drop my connection, in the passed I have always used the ps -e|less command to obtain the process identifier for "ppp0" and then used the kill (followed by the pid), which works great.

But when I want to reconnect (using the MCC), it doesn't work. So by chance and looking through the thread I tried to disconnect using the MCC.

Anyway, so I do that, then I su into root, and do ifconfig and the connection is down, so I try the reverse and connect, and bugger me sideways with the wrong end of a pineapple, the lights go out on the modem and it starts the re-initialisation of the modem.

I actually get "connection failed" when the modem has finished doing it's thing, but when I tell it to connect a second time, it goes straight in.

the moral of the story is that we can all suffer with linux if we retain too much window$ shit in our heads and expect everything to work exactly the same.

I suppose that's part of my problem - I mean, when I started trying to assist with this thread, I was on a real high, because I had finally worked out how to get my bloody sound card working and also managed to configure my xmms to be able to play audio cd's (the culmination of a couple of months of trying and a few bloody stupid questions on some forum's).

Oh, and while I remember, if you try my suggestions, when you add the "start connection from boot" option, don't forget that during startup you get the "looking for internet connections to start at boot" phrase in the start up dialogue and that is when you should see the lights on the modem flashing it's intialisation sequence at you. When it carries on and finishes the startup dialogue, your connection should be up and running, you can either open a browser and try to surf or try the "ifconfig" option (logged in as root) to see if it's up. If you can't surf, but the connection seems to be up and running, then maybe you have got the firewall started but configured wrong - and I know the square root of f*** all about that, as I'm still trying to establish what the config is that I need, then I should be ok to leave my connection running and not have to keep booting back into window$ as often as I do (except to play my beloved "jellyfish backgammon").

Hopefully this and the two earlier bit's of drivel should get you up and running - I,m off to register the copy of mandrake 9.0 boxed set that turned up in the post this morning.

regards

John

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Old 12-13-2002, 03:06 AM   #43
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lol bigjohn,

I have printed out your last three posts and will indeed follow your instructions. The firewall is another matter but with linux one thing at a time. If i can get connected to the internet just once, my confidence will soar.

Have decided to re-install Mandy 9.0 as i am sure i have screwed up something, what with all my weird commands.

Much appreciated your laymans language help, it makes sense to me at least. Will post back later with the results.

Many thanks.......
 
Old 12-13-2002, 05:03 AM   #44
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Hey John, it nearly worked. As per your instructions, everything you stated appeared as by magic.

The stage where you type ifconfig, brings up the fast part of what you posted. ( ie lo link encap:local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0

etc:

The second part did not appear, ie ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol etc etc etc.

Hence no internet connection.

At least moving forward, albeit slowly, crawling more like. Going to have a look at your posts on Mandrake.

Thanks
 
Old 12-13-2002, 01:44 PM   #45
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If you have got that far magis, try re-inputting your isp details into the connection wizard. Just follow the prompts and select adsl connection>speedtouch usb (cant remember is it actually says that, but you will recognise the speedtouch option), then i seem to recall you get the listing stuff, just put anything in the first box i.e. freeserve.com or whatever, dont bother putting the IP addresses in the next two, the select UK as the national option and then use your full username (probably a full one like magis@speedtouchpaininthearse.com or whatever) and your password.

then select the start at boot option, followed by the yes option for "do you want to try and conncet now", and you will probably get connection failed.

After that, I have usually ended up rebooting it and it connects, though it's during the reboot that you get the "checking for internet connections to start at boot" comment in the startup dialogue and you also see the lights flashing on the front of the modem as mentioned before.

Because if you are getting the modem lights to flash during initialisation, you are nearly there - in fact if you get the connection after "checking for internet connections to start at boot" you get OK, if it aint happening, you get failed.

Oh and just thought of something else to check

If things aren't working after that you may have to alter /etc/ppp/peers/adsl to include your username and the vci and vpi values for your locality for the UK 0 and 38

like so:

pty "/usr/bin/pppoa3 -vpi 0 -vci 38"

user "joe.blogs@whatever.btinternet.com"

You will need to open the /etc/ppp/peers/adsl in a text editor logged in as root (but you should be able to read the file to see if it shows the correct vpi/vci numbers if not and you have to change it, then log into root, go through root home directory and get as far as /etc/ppp/peers and then right click on the adsl file select applications>editors>kwrite add the vpi/vci numbers as above (those are correct for uk/bt phone lines) and whatever username, then file>save and close the file, and log back into your own user account and try and connect or reboot and see if it connects then.

regards

John

p.s. oh and if your isp has given you a really strange username/accountname and you have to use an "alias" so instead of magis@speedtouchpaininthearse.com your actual username (as supplied by your isp) is snurg1ed00fer8%%~#~#~@speedtouchpaininthearse.com then that is the one that you need to use and not the aliased one of magis@..........

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