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Old 12-26-2003, 07:36 AM   #1
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choosing a distro, two simple problems, or?


Hi.
I've deicided to install a linux distro on my old laptop, and I have only two important parameters that affect the decision. So please tell me,

1. Is MDK the only distro that uses that clever RPM that can detect dependencies and dl all necessary files automatically?

2. Which is a efficient and fast (low resource) eating distro and GUI? and if answer to 1 was yes, then what is the best MDK option for my needs?

I thank you all!
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Old 12-26-2003, 07:46 AM   #2
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1. Is MDK the only distro that uses that clever RPM that can detect dependencies and dl all necessary files automatically?
No, there are others, like RedHat, which use rpm.
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2. Which is a efficient and fast (low resource) eating distro and GUI? and if answer to 1 was yes, then what is the best MDK option for my needs?
distro -> slackware
gui -> I'm not sure, but after installing slackware you can choose and try several GUIs (if you chose to install them), just take a look at them, and check it yourself.

Regards

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Old 12-26-2003, 04:30 PM   #3
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As far as the "easy" rpm goes, I assume you are talking about URPMI? No matter, apt-get now works with rpms. You need apt4rpm and Synaptic. Piece of cake.

Lowest resource distros tend to be Slackware, Debian, Gentoo, College Liinux - SuSE, RedHat and Mandrake, as the most 'complete' and 'newbie' distros (ducks for flames) are the most resource hungry. Again, KDE and Gnome tend to be very resource hungry, but Blackbox, Fluxbox, Xfce and others are very low resource.
 
Old 12-26-2003, 05:15 PM   #4
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i just installed Libranet debian yesterday on my PII300/64mb, and it is blazingly fast with icewm (its default wm). that uses apt-get, of course. gentoo is also an excellent choice for speed, if you build for your architecture from stage1 or 2. that has the portage "emerge" tool. and of course slackware simply rules. best advice imho is to stay away from KDE and Gnome and use something else -- just about anything will be faster than those, including windowmaker, icewm, xfce4 fluxbox/blackbox, etc.
 
Old 12-26-2003, 06:55 PM   #5
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I've deicided to install a linux distro on my old laptop
Depending on it's specs, you may wish to check into Vector Linux.
 
Old 12-26-2003, 09:29 PM   #6
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I don't know about RPM distros that automatically download all necessary files....sounds like some crazy newfangled space-age technology....
Anywho, SuSE also uses RPM, but it's an annoying package system, IMO.

Fast and efficient distro is definitely Slackware.

Fast and efficient GUI: Fluxbox is my favorite, but Openbox/Blackbox are a bit faster.

Overall best choice in my mind for someone new is SuSE. I think there are a few things about it that would bug an advanced user, but so far it's been very good to me.
 
Old 12-26-2003, 10:21 PM   #7
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post your laptop's specs here so we can give a more in-depth advice and not just call out distros

depending upon how much knowledge you have of linux or how much you may wish to learn, your choice of distros may vary

first of all, those rpm distros (already mentioned, mandrake, redhat, suse) tend to NeEd the automatic dependency checking, etc, because those distros tend to run into lots of "dependency hell" so that nifty rpm tool (called urpmi in mandrake) shouldn't be a major factor in your consideration of a distro
anyway, that is not to say other distros don't run into dependency problems, but from experience, i run into far fewer in slackware than i did in mandrake

onto the important stuff, the distros
right now, assuming that your computer has low memory (because memory has more effect on determining what distro/gui to use than processor speed), i must suggest that you stay away from things like mandrake and redhat
those types of distros tend to load everything into your machine at once, (called the shotgun method by some of my friends), so that it will have the greatest chance of having all hardware detected by everyone who uses the distro and having all programs and services enabled and ready for use in any possible fashion
to top it off, these distros prefer to use the more mem-consuming desktop environments, gnome and kde, both which are nice and powerful, but not useful for low-mem computers

now stepping away from negatives, let's go to positives
you can pretty much narrow it down to this: you will probably not end up using a "newbie" distro and may need to use a distro with a higher learning curve, but that's ok, linuxquestions is here for that reason!

i can tell you that you will probably end up using slackware or debian, or one of their spinnoff's like vectorlinux, libranet, college linux, etc.

i would personally recommend slackware because installation is simple (i have heard that debian is a pain to install) and it is designed to be well compatible with systems down the the 486 level and can be customized to run on low mem
with slackware, you should use something like fluxbox or windowmaker, both which require very little memory

i have also heard that vector-linux (a slackware spinoff) runs very well on low-mem computers, so that is also an option
 
Old 12-26-2003, 10:41 PM   #8
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I'm a long time Mandrake user, since 6.2. URMPI is excellent for installing applications and resolving dependencies. I run it on a compaq 600Mhtz PIII celeron laptop with 192 meg of ram, this is my work machine. I use KDE, it is a resource hog however it out performs windows 2000 (I know that's not saying much).

However, if you want a faster performance machine, I run Gentoo on a Dell 600Mhtz pIII celeron with 256meg ram with WiFi at home. It out performs my work laptop by two times. Gentoo has an excellent install guide and very good support, a forum on the gentoo.org site and IRC channels on freenode. Portage is the system that Gentoo uses for software install management. The application on your machine is emerge. Installing an applications is as easy as typing "emerge appname" the system checks for dependencies, downloads every thing needed compiles and installs. The downside is that the large things like KDE or gnome take a long time to compile, it took my 600Mhz machine 36 hours to compile KDE. Although they do have precompiled binaries for the basic system and KDE and GNOME, this can save some time but you may sacrifice performance.
 
Old 12-28-2003, 01:59 PM   #9
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Hi.

Thank you for sharing your good insight knowledge.

I should have given my specs earlier, so her they are.
ACER Travelmate 723TXV
PII 400
256mb / 10 Gb
Neomagic magicmedia 256AV graph chipset (and audio)
PCMCIA network card
usb mouse + usb iomega cdrw

To sum up what i've read and thought of your replies..

- Maybe the memory won't be the bisggest issue, and i would like to have an ease of use distro. (so maybe MDK, thought least 9.2 did not wish to co-operate with my machine)

-This thing about packages and dependencies is not really an issue, higly automated (like URPMI) can even cause trouble?

-Slackware is easy to install and customize + installing packages is easy? I know a bit of unix shell and such but i'm a real fan of user friendliness (and of course stability)

-Maybe i would narrow my choise to MDK and slackware. I know they are totally different, but which is faster and more stable? which would support my machine??

Thanks again pros.
pumpuli
 
Old 12-28-2003, 02:13 PM   #10
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i have tried redhat and debain till now. both good. but i realllllly like debian (it's all i use now.)
 
Old 12-28-2003, 03:07 PM   #11
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Both Mdk and Slackware are stable. If you are new to this and want to ease into using Linux, choose Mdk or SuSE - both are very simple to install and use.

If you want more of a challenge, choose Slackware - it is closer than either of the other 2 to "original Linux".
 
  


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