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By-the-way, feel i should add this, i would like to avoid KDE if it all possible Is it simple enough to get rid of in a slack-live HD install? I'd like to try fluxbox and some others if it's not too tricky to get started...
When you first load slack-live, it will give you options on what to load. I think fluxbox or blackbox is one of those options.
The slack-live does not install on your hardrive. It is run off of ram disk. A live cd on your computer will run slower than a hardrive installed distro, but it will give you an idea of how the distro works.
...on slack-live someone! I'm greener than grass remember - i couldn't even find files using shell commands!
Look at the sites in my sig below for linux commands.
burnpile - i could be wrong but isn't there info on the damn small website (underpackages) that tells you how to put the package list back in and would that, therefore, improve the update stuff, in your eyes?
And, as an aside, would that mean I could add and remove debian packages with apt get as required (whatever that is? assume it's like urpmi)(?)
but if you take the time to reinsert the debian package data, then run apt-get to get current, you might as well have installed Debian anyway (or even better Slackware ).
apt-get imo is much better than urmpi, but has a higher learning curve. more commands and greater flexibility.
well, i dl'ed damnsmall and it's pretty cool. I'll keep it handy for emergencies but I think I'll be more inclined to use Morphix in the future.
As far as I can tell morphix is a "pure" debian release and while i get the idea that damn small is supposed to be just that (i.e. small) it's not really much use as a distro after a hard drive install (for all of burnpiles excellent reasons) especially when you have knoppix or better morphix...
Morphix looks excellent and i'll certainly get the light gui version ASAP - looks good as a live CD and as a simple graphical debian installer or introduction, believe the apt-get etc is all in there and ready to fly...
However, after much searching of distrowatch and this forum I have "discovered" (seems a dumb word, it was there all the time) Vector linux and seeing as most people won't shut up about Slack (slack live looked like the biggests waste of bandwidth ever!) i downloaded the ISO...now to emphasise the significance of my interest in this distro i'd like to point out that I have a 56k modem...
i thought i was looking for a live cd and i kind of am - i really want to try morphix when i get home to the broadband connection but Vector really does seem to be everything i want, cos ultimately i was looking for an HD install anyway... just to busy to get into it at the mo
Thing is...I can see a bit of a slack/debian battle ahead...think I may need a tri boot system...at least for a bit...
Note: to newbies, like my humble self, there really are loads of distros out there, i thought there was a lot but didn't realise how many there were. I strongly reccommend that you check some of these out!!!
Thus far I've tried Slackware-Live, DSL, Puppy, Movix, Mepis, and Knoppix (3.2 and 3.3).
Puppy is ugly but functional, and surprisingly simple to use IMHO. It's still a little rough around the edges but with some more time to polish it I think it'll be really something. It'll probably surpass DSL in a couple months.
DSL is fairly speedy, nice to look at, and has a good 'isn't that neat' factor to it. It can do a lot but not quite as much as I would like.
Slackware-Live is the best looking of the bunch and is pretty friendly to use and is much better organized than larger distros like Knoppix.
Knoppix, specifically version 3.3, is my favorite of those I've tried though. It can be hard to find the application you want in the mess of menus but that's because Knoppix has so much that comes with it. If you want to do something, chances are Knoppix can do it. I much prefer 3.3, as while 3.2 had all the same apps, in 3.3 they actually all work. Knoppix also gave me the least trouble of the buch in terms of doing a HD install. I have had some trouble with KDE on the HD installed version, but I like using IceWM anyways. The installer script also installed lilo to the MBR of the wrong HD, which wasn't a problem for me, but for a complete newbie it probably would have ended the experiment right there.
Mepis is one of the newwer kids on the block. It's loaded with apps like Knoppix, even moreso, but is somewhat better organized, more like Slack-live. The fact that it is new still shows though, as a lot of stuff just doesn't work. The installer in particular seems to have a new problem each release. I gave it a try but couldn't get Mepis to manually delete my NTFS partition or get the automatic install past 10%. All it managed to do was wipe my MBR. There has been a new release sence then that they say fixes the installer, but this is the third time they've done that and I'm not in the mood to download and burn yet another Mepis CD.
Movix is only designed to do one sort of thing, playing multimedia, but it does it really well. It seems to have some trouble with soft subtitled videos, but that might just be an MPlayer thing beyond Movix's control.
I'll probably try PCLinuxOS in the near future, but now that Gnome 2.4 has made it's way onto Gnoppix and Morphix I'll give one of them a try first, probably Morphix.
I know you said you tried Mandrake, but I think that just meant a full HD install of Mandrake. Well, Mandrake has their own live cd out now too, its called MandrakeMove.
True, its only in beta, but it sounds interesting to me. I don't know if other live-cd's allow for the bootable cd to be ejected running, but Mandrake does. I am pretty sure Knoppix doesn't work like that.
Look here for info on it. Then go to this page, get past the MandrakeClub stuff, and then click on the MandrakeMove link near the top to see a list of mirrors to get the ISO from.
EDIT: MandrakeMake is now out of beta testing stages. Its currently only available to MandrakeClub members as such, but wait a week or two and it should out for the public.
this thread has been quiet for ages but i just thought i'd tell all the outcome!
The morphix light gui:
pros: looked great and worked great
cons: hd install very wrong no chmod so no password changes at install and so couldn't log in - can't post at morphix.org (dunno why it doesn't like me) so posted here with no reponses. also, couldn't use different res in live mode.
pros: if you want to see and try fluxbox try this. excellent idea. damn small
cons: not reall fair to call it a con as that's the whole point but - too damn small!
finally...the winnner is Vector
i decided against a live-cd hd install and went for Slack-based Vector, so far works amazing. not used any packaging as i am compiling all my software from source. the window manager options are great - once you get one just the way you like it you can kick off on another!
have learned more in two weeks with vector than in 2 months with mandrake and it ain't gone wrong yet! But i did learn some vitals with mandrake so i'm not dissing it totally!