I don't understand the last part of the answer. Can you use kdesu or sudo after logging in as a regular user. You shouldn't log in to a desktop environment as root.
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If I go into root via the console using su it works fine
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Is this with X running, or from a virtual terminal? Can you log in as root on one of the virtual terminals?
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Then I have other where I am typing in root and trying to use my root password
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Is this part after trying kdesu or gksu?
If you can su to root in the console, look at your logs. The information there may have more information.