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Old 01-21-2014, 06:40 AM   #16
Lionel1020
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Hey Mr Rokytnji,

Your”re a genius...the floppy drive....it's been so long since I've used one I forgot all about it!!

Yes there is one present on this rubbish computer and I've got a stack of disks around here somewhere.

So if there is a Linux boot sequence that can be put on one (or more) disks, a boot sequence that is good enough to get the USB's on line......the rest of the installation can be done via a USB key. We will not need the optical drive for the installation!!!.....Brilliant!
Hopefully after the complete distro is installed the external optical drive (a Philip's SPD 3000CC) will work to. I had a heck of a job getting windows to recognise it.

So new plan.....I can use the windows installation to prepare a set of Linux floppy boot disks. Then remove the “C” (windows) drive and replace it with a clean larger drive. The floppies should be able to access the “new” clean “C” drive and enable the USB. The rest of the installation can then be done with a USB key.....Not a window in sight and no need for an optical drive.......Am I getting this right??? ie does this make sense?

Quote: “Ok. Wow. Hoops to Jump through and everything. Low ram. No usb bios support. Cdrom usb. Only works in Windows.” “I'm stumped pardner”

No you are not stumped...went through those hoops without breaking a sweat...Thanks.

Lionel

Now I need to find some larger ram....in France, no easy task!

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Old 01-21-2014, 08:15 AM   #17
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Cool Beans. If you know how to make a boot image floppy disk. make a Plop floppy disk. Boot it. Pick usb from menu. Boot usb cdrom drive. Make sure Windows is unplugged like I mentioned earlier. Install Linux.

http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/plpbt.bin.html#runflp

I have my own PLOP floppy disk I have used on numerous occasions for installing AntiX and other distros from usb on computers with no usb bios support. If you had a pcmcia cd drive. just to show how far back I have been using floppys to assist linux installs.

http://yatsite.blogspot.com/2008/10/...on-compaq.html

Anyhows. This Plop idea of mine will work. All you have to do is follow the prompts and do it.
I just woke up and if any spelling or what ever mistakes. I am not all here yet.
 
Old 01-21-2014, 05:23 PM   #18
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Thanks for the links
Quote: “If you know how to make a boot image floppy disk.”
I've used them....never “made” them.....still I can always try!
Followed your link to instructions on making a floppy.....reasonably clear up to the bit:
“You can configure the plpbt.bin on the floppy with plpcfgbt.”
Exactly what the parameter options should be set to???? I have no idea!

Still....I spent a little over twenty years in the army..so I've been in worse situations!

I'll get back later tomorrow with a sit-rep.

Lionel

( “Plop” “plpcfgbt” Who on earth thinks of these names!!!!)
 
Old 01-21-2014, 08:52 PM   #19
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I've got a plop boot floppy for an old sony laptop that can't boot usb. I didn't configure anything. worked with the default image.
 
Old 01-21-2014, 10:09 PM   #20
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just remember that no current OS actually looks for a 3.5 in floppy any longer
You need to add "modeprob floppy" to the boot line for the kernel to even look for one installed

also with a OLD p4 CPU you will have some issues with some video
and if there is a nvidia gforce 5 or older card
you WILL have a major problem with a driver and nvidia video support

then with only 500 meg ram
That will also cause some issue with hd video (standard def fine but HD ? x264 ???)

and that intel P4 is a ENERGY HOG !!!!!!
it WILL eat up CASH $$$$$ and bump your electric bill
 
Old 01-21-2014, 10:16 PM   #21
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the way booting from a plot bootmanager floppy works, the bios will boot the floppy disk, the plop manager will boot the usb or harddrive as you specify. you do not need the os to access the floppy, just the bios.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 08:48 AM   #22
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Hello Everyone,

I really appreciate all the replies, I read everything (several times) and am learning a lot. Thankyou everybody.

Well I can report a certain progress.
I really got bogged down with this floppy creation...didn't really understand what I was doing.
So as “dolphin oracle” suggested earlier, “buy another optical drive for a few pence”. Well I didn't buy another drive but I borrowed one from my daughters set-up...she's away at school at the moment so it will have to be back by the time she comes home at the end of term!

Installation of the drive went well, put in larger (empty...no windows) hard disk 80go.
I have a live CD (came with a magazine I think) with OpenSuse 11.3 on it.

Went into the bio's, changed the start order to optical drive, put in the live CD with a complete installation on it.

I was so surprised...worked straight away. A list of fairly easy questions and the installation started.
The computers old so it was fairly slow....I left it mumbling away to it's self for about 3/4 of an hour.....Everything worked I supposed as when I returned it said “ Installation complete”.

It said to remove the CD and restart, reset the bio's to the hard disk; restart again to boot from this disk for the first time.
Here the problems started.
First it said there was “no keyboard attached”...there was.
After about twenty restarts I managed to get into the bio's start order list. I changed it to hard disk marked “C”...which I assumed held the operating system.
Now the thing still won't start... you get a signal that the “keyboard cannot be found” or “Error loading operating system” or both. Changed the keyboard but same result.

And I thought all the problems had disappeared!!!

Lionel
 
Old 01-22-2014, 09:19 AM   #23
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Ok. Boot the suse live media, Post out put of

Code:
sudo fdisk -l
Why oh why you installed a KDE distro with grub2 with rpm command syntax on a 512 MB box.
I know why. Because you are new and work with what you have and are trying real
hard to get this done.

Trouble is. I don't run rpm distros/ know their file location structure/ know the command
syntax for terminal, because I am kde, grub2, and rpm distro dyslexic. So my help will wane
away in this thread.

Good luck with it though. you are going to need CentOS, Fedora, Redhat, Scientific, OpenSuse,
user replies to your problems now so my advice is close this thread and explain in a new thread in the Open Suse section of the forum what your problem is and post the fdisk -l
command I gave in that thread. Be descriptive, Be nice and respectful, Be detailed.

You will will get some opinions like JohnVV brought up about ram. Just sigh and ignore as
you wait till you find some. My media center came with 512MB and single core processor and
I shoehorned another ide drive for dual drive and raised the ram specs ti 1.5 Gig and
AntiX screams on it and so does video.

Quote:
ust remember that no current OS actually looks for a 3.5 in floppy any longer
You need to add "modeprob floppy" to the boot line for the kernel to even look for one installed
You can ignore that statement as all you were going to do do was have bios regonize and boot the floppy to ram. Then the floppy OS was going to boot the usb. That is all.

I supplied dolphins_oracles AntiX install videos. I mentioned unplug the Windows hard drive. I recommended the right distro and right floppy image to use with the easy instructions to follow using Windows even to write the floppy image. That is the best I can do for you.

Time for coffee and a shower. You have a good one and Happy Trails, Rok

P.S. Us linux guys are really nice guys. Some of us are all business and a little cold but
all of us have our heart in the right place. Just ignore the nay sayers and listen to the
olnes that try real hard to help you along.

I know you can do this. You just lack the skills yet. Be patient. You will get there.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 10:13 AM   #24
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Hello rok,

Sorry I may have disappointed you.. I do try, but sometimes I feel we are talking different languages.

Quote:
“Ok. Boot the suse live media, Post out put of
Code:
sudo fdisk -l”

What the ????

Quote: “Why oh why you installed a KDE distro with grub2 with rpm command syntax”


Did I do that? ….When it worked (at the start)...I was quite pleased with myself...thought you would be pleased with my ingenuity. Hmm.


“My media center came with 512MB and single core processor and
I shoehorned another ide drive for dual drive and raised the ram specs ti 1.5 Gig and
AntiX screams on it and so does video.”

Now this is quite encouraging!

I'm going to try to find this “fdisk-1” thing....but at the moment I can't get into the bio's because it can't find the keyboard......
 
Old 01-22-2014, 11:21 AM   #25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel1020 View Post
Hi Dman58,

I do not really want to keep windows, But windows makes the Usb's work and the DVD drive is connected by usb. No windows = no usb.....no usb= no dvd drive. So I have to keep windows...just until Linux takes over.
not really sure how software can force hardware to not exist ?; can you boot into linux (somehow<@) and run:
Code:
lspci && lsusb
to see what it identifies is connected to your pc ?
 
Old 01-22-2014, 11:31 AM   #26
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Quote:
but at the moment I can't get into the bio's because it can't find the keyboard......
Flaky Hardware it sounds like to me. I am on my Media Center in the shop right now.
I aint disappointed though it may have come across like that.
I'm just letting you know my help ends at Open Suse because I am inexperienced with that distro since version 8.2 and a lot has changed since then.

You will be better served by guys that run rpm distros (You can google rpm package management to understand what I mean).

For the fdisk -l thing. Open a terminal and in a NEW THREAD in OPEN SUSE with a Ttitle Like

"New user of Open Suse cannot boot on Dual drive & dual boot Windows/OpenSuse 11.3.

In your new thread, this kinda output will help get you mopre responces

Code:
fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders, total 234441648 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000bda1f

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1   230195199   115097599+  83  Linux
/dev/sda2       230195200   234440703     2122752   82  Linux swap / Solaris

Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders, total 312581808 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x0000548e

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1            2048   312580095   156289024   83  Linux
Off Topic hat on now:

I am presently doing a dist-upgrade on this box which specs are

Code:
inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: biker Kernel: 3.12-5.dmz.2-liquorix-686 i686 (32 bit, gcc: 4.8.2) 
           Desktop: Fluxbox 1.3.5 Distro: antiX-M11-base- Jayaben Desai 25 April 2011
Machine:   System: GATEWAY product: W3507 version: 500
           Mobo: Intel model: D102GGC2 version: AAD70214-201
           Bios: Intel version: GC11020M.15A.2010.2006.0817.0956 date: 08/17/2006
CPU:       Single core Intel Celeron D CPU (-UP-) cache: 512 KB flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3) bmips: 6400.17 clocked at 3200.085 MHz 
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200/1100] bus-ID: 01:05.0 
           X.Org: 1.14.5 driver: radeon Resolution: 1280x1024@60.0hz 
           GLX Renderer: N/A GLX Version: N/A Direct Rendering: N/A
Audio:     Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller 
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.12-5.dmz.2-liquorix-686
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ driver: 8139too ver: 0.9.28 port: 1000 bus-ID: 02:02.0
           IF: eth0 state: unknown speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 280.1GB (20.3% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: ST3120213A size: 120.0GB 
           2: id: /dev/sdb model: ST3160215ACE size: 160.0GB 
Partition: ID: / size: 109G used: 32G (31%) fs: ext3 ID: swap-1 size: 2.17GB used: 0.01GB (0%) fs: swap 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 42.1C mobo: 42.2C 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 2292 fan-2: 1149 fan-4: 0 
Info:      Processes: 101 Uptime: 17 min Memory: 341.0/878.3MB Runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.8.2 
           Client: Shell (bash 4.2.45) inxi: 1.9.17
cuz a cold front coming in out here forced me inside for the day.

Edit: Notice the low ram usage during a upgrade and a browser open also while I am replying to you.

Code:
 inxi -wxx
Weather:   Conditions: 48 F (9 C) - Clear Wind: From the South at 7 MPH Humidity: 46%
           Pressure: 30.14 in (1020 mb) Time: January 22, 10:30 AM CST (America/Chicago)
Below freezing later. It was 75F yesterday.

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Old 01-22-2014, 11:59 AM   #27
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Just to show you my media center in action

http://postmyimage.com/img2/879_AntiX11Base.jpg

http://postmyimage.com/img2/193_A11base.jpg
 
Old 01-22-2014, 03:02 PM   #28
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I think there must have been a residual charge somewere on the motherboard that was affecting the Bio's or the cmos chip....not to sure what was going on.

However after disconnecting everything I pressed the start button for 30 or more seconds which I know will drain any residuals. I took out the battery, shorted the circuit and put in a new battery just to be on the safe side.
I then put in another hard disk and restarted the whole installation process again.
At this moment it is about half way through...”Coping root filesystem” it says.

Got my fingers crossed
 
Old 01-22-2014, 04:14 PM   #29
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Good luck. I just got my new/used govt hard drive in from govt. surplus servers since I last posted.

Code:
 fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders, total 234441648 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000bda1f

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1   230195199   115097599+  83  Linux
/dev/sda2       230195200   234440703     2122752   82  Linux swap / Solaris

Disk /dev/sdb: 323.9 GB, 323928170496 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 39382 cylinders, total 632672208 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x0007ef6f

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1            2048   632670207   316334080   83  Linux
I put the 160 gig drive in my older IBM M41 which is even older than this emachine I grabbed
out of the trash. I will be beta testing for http://www.mepiscommunity.org/mx14

It is still beta. I have MacPup 529 that runs on the M41 which is a E17 Desktop Puppy Linux distro. It is a playtoy computer for the dudes that wait for me to finish wrenching on their bikes in my shop. Busy computer day for me today also I guess. This 320 gig Maxtor IDE
govt. server hard drive was cheap so I got it. It will just be internal storage for movies and
music and whatever else needs storage.

That is it from me for awhile. I will be busy with hard ware fixes and upgrades and such (/etc/fstab).
I also have a mother board change out I need to do on a Antec Micro Box Desktop Computer
that was my best computer (it's down).

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Old 01-23-2014, 10:26 AM   #30
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Finally got something installed, up and running...good luck with the upgrades rok and thanks to everyone
 
  


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