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Old 05-25-2011, 02:06 AM   #1
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Can I put /home on an NTFS volume?


I'm setting up a dual-boot system, and want users to be able to access their stuff regardless of what OS is currently loaded.

Idealy, I'd like to set it up so that the same Firefox profile is used in both Windows 7 and Linux, as well as the same "home" directories, but I don't think that is possible. At best, I plan to use shortcuts and symbolic links to make it easy to navigate.

In any case, is there any major problem with setting up both Windows and Linux to use the same partition for storing user's directories?

The primary shared things will be Open Office/Microsoft Office documents and Firefox setups.

I haven't decided if I'm putting Ubuntu or Fedora on this system. I'm more familiar with Fedora, but need to increase my familiarity with Ubuntu. I'm going to go with whatever will give me the least hassles with the setup I just described.

I apologize if I'm showing ignorance, I haven't had much luck fining info on this in 10 minutes of google searching.

On the other hand, I'm unsure if I even need to make a dual boot. I have VMWare, and I'm not sure what advantages there are to making a dual boot over VMware in my case. The only advantage I can see is
1. Having Linux as a boot option kinda forces me to actually use it once I choose Linux. Thus, I become more familiar with it, and need to reboot the computer in order to use Widows.
2. Linux gives me an emergency boot option is the Windows section gets corrupted beyond what chkdsk and the other emergency recovery options can fix. Counterbalanced by the ability to boot the old Vista OS that came with the computer.
3. The full resources of the computer are available to Linux. Not so much an issue today, but maybe in a few years. This is counterbalanced by the fact that all my games are in Windows, and I can't think of anything else I'd do with Linux that would put such demands on the system. Yeah, I might use it as a server, but that is more to LEARN how to set up and configure servers. I believe it is against Comcast Cable's TOS to run an permanent server with the necessary dynamic DNS registration.
I have no need for a permanent DNS server. If I need name resolution, I'd just put it in my hosts file. I already use that to block ads, so sharing it with all my systems is no problem. I don't have that many.

So, the only reason I can really think of is to force myself to use Linux by booting Linux, rather than take the lazy way with Windows.

P.S.
I've had exposure to Linux for around 10 years now, yet I never really did much with it. Since I'm barely competent with Linux, can I still call myself a newbie? I'm not as conformable in that environment as I am in Windows.

Much like my mother is still practically a newbie with computers, in spite of the fact that we've owned computers since 1988? She has trouble remembering how to minimize and restore windows, or whether to single or double click on things, and often calls me to ask for help (she uses Windows XP these days, previously she used Macs prior to Mac OS X.).
 
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Old 05-25-2011, 02:26 AM   #2
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I'm pretty new at this so I may be wrong (it is pretty likely haha) ... But I think since windows uses NTFS, fat32, and the like ... That trying to make Linux use it is near (if not all the way) impossible. Linux uses the file extension ext1,ext2,ext3 and what have you ... Essentially windows likes coke, and linux like pepsi. And if you invite linux over it will want you to have pepsi in your fridge.

But like I said, I'm new so I could be off base here. Good luck!
 
Old 05-25-2011, 02:37 AM   #3
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Sorry for the double post...


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I haven't decided if I'm putting Ubuntu or Fedora on this system. I'm more familiar with Fedora, but need to increase my familiarity with Ubuntu. I'm going to go with whatever will give me the least hassles with the setup I just described.
I just got a distro called 'zorin OS 4', and it is ubuntu based ... And since you seem to be using windows as well, you may be comfortable with it. It can be set to look like windows XP or windows 7 while still being linux. The install was really simple and it grants access to all other files on the machine as it's default setting (IE I can easily load files from my other distro, with just the click of a button) ... I don't know if that will work with a NTFS format though.

I haven't really got to into it yet, but it is set up to be just point and click (Real simple), but still grants access to the terminal and everything you'd want to play with. Don't know exactly what your looking for but just thought I'd put it out there.
 
Old 05-25-2011, 02:39 AM   #4
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You can use NTFS for both, but I strongly recommend against it, since NTFS lacks file system features that are essential for Linux. I would recommend to create a /home for Linux in a Linux file system. Then mount a NTFS partition under a different folder for sharing, for example in /home/share (when you have many users) or in /home/$user/share (only one user). You can do the same. Windows supports mounting of NTFS partitions to empty folders.
 
Old 05-25-2011, 03:50 PM   #5
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It would be easy to mount ntfs using ntfs-3g read write for home like any other drive is mounted at boot.
 
Old 05-25-2011, 04:10 PM   #6
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It would be easy to mount ntfs using ntfs-3g read write for home like any other drive is mounted at boot.
Yes, but NTFS lacks Unix/Linux file permissions.
 
Old 05-25-2011, 04:29 PM   #7
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NO you can not put /home on ntfs

some things REQUIRE file permissions ( ntfs dose NOT support them)
if the permissions are NOT correct the OS will not boot / login ( security)
and Fedora WILL require the SE context if it is NOT there fedora will NOT allow the log in


Now if you want to share docs
use a separate DATA partition that is shared by all users - that can be ntfs -- BUT NOT /home
 
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:50 PM   #8
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Seems to be posts that feel it can be done. Not anywhere as easy as I made out to be.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=901127&page=2

I had used zipslack on umsdos fat systems a long time ago. Dunno how hard it would be to support ntfs. I used to use a commercial linux written in com and exe files on fat and it worked great too.
 
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As per John_VV, I'd recommend using a separate partition for sharing and allow Linux to have /home on its own FS.

@Hevithan: ext2, ext3, ext4 are Linux Filesystem types, not filename extensions
 
  


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