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Old 12-31-2003, 07:15 PM   #16
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mrhyde,

Thanks for the info

I'm gonna go chill out for a bit now. I'll be around LQO off and on tonight.

Peace,
David
 
Old 12-31-2003, 09:05 PM   #17
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I have only bought from Slackware.com store!!
That way Patrick V. can keep Developing Bigger and Better
versions of Slackware!!
 
Old 12-31-2003, 09:26 PM   #18
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Quote:
Originally posted by 320mb
I have only bought from Slackware.com store!!
That way Patrick V. can keep Developing Bigger and Better
versions of Slackware!!
and better and better. Patrick gets my order at each new release, even though I've D/L'it and been using it since he put it up on the mirrors

And as for the original 'flavor' of this thread, When you're dealing with an enterprise-solution edition of any software, don't even look at the price. Myself or any other consultant will charge much more to come and Install/setup something you bought for x-amount-of-dollars because it was such a bargian. Worry more about support than price. 30 bucks on ebay is only covering the cost of someone downloading, verifying and burning the ISO's, which in many cases is well worth 30 or even 300 bucks.
 
Old 12-31-2003, 09:48 PM   #19
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but hey, theres those ppl like me, i got kids, dont make much money, im not a programmer and i got my distro from www.linuxiso.org. $179 is quite a chunck for some of us, but i agree with you mrhyde, i don't like e-bay anyway.
 
Old 12-31-2003, 10:12 PM   #20
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but hey, theres those ppl like me, i got kids, dont make much money, im not a programmer and i got my distro from www.linuxiso.org. $179 is quite a chunck for some of us, but i agree with you mrhyde, i don't like e-bay anyway.
My comments above were mainly meant for enterprise solutions. Big Business. In your case, I agree - grab that iso and go. The costs and fees paid by enterprise customers should cover the costs for people who cannot afford to pay for the software. By downloading and installing the product, you are doing a small service of debugging and hardware testing, which any programmer knows is worth it's weight in gold. IMO As long as you're filling out bug reports you are in effect paying for your use of the materials.
 
Old 01-02-2004, 09:21 AM   #21
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Hey Guys, I'm having a problem with spending a large amound on something I may not stick with. About a year ago I started buying various distro's on eBay, and currently have none running.

Here's what I have:

Mandrake 9.1 eBay purchase,3 disks,about $5
Mandrake 9.1 Code Blue (still don't know what that means),eBay, 4 disks, $5-10
Knoppix 3.2 eBay, about $3
Xandros "Deluxe" (don't remember the release #), eBay, about $3
Lindows 4.0 1 CD,eBay, about $5

Evil Entity Linux download, 1 disk,obviously free
Icepack Linux download, 5 CD's,free

Here's my point; I'm very glad I didn't invest a lot of cash in these, because I'm not running any of them. I wish I had the time to be running at least 3 or 4 of these distro's on my 2 PC's, but no matter which one I install, (or try to), I run into complications way over my head. It has been about a year since my first attempt, (which led to 2 weeks downtime, panic, and inevitable reformat). Thanks partly to the nice folks in this forum, I did manage to get a couple of them running, but getting them to run well was another story.
I let them fall by the way, while I was building a nice computer. My lack of knowledge in Linux, and overall short term experience with PC's in general, (18 months), made me decide to put my Linux disks and books on the back burner.
My spare time now is spent trying to fix all the problems that come with building a home theater PC from scratch. Three months of help files, online FAQ's, forums, upgrades, uninstalls, reinstalls, and replacements have yielded fair results, and this is all under Win 98.
I'm not ready YET to invest the time it would take to understand Linux, let alone the time it would take to get all this stuff running. Then there's the issue of all the games I love.

Enough rambling!

I WILL BACK TO LINUX ASAP!! I WILL NEED THE ASSISTANCE OF YOU GOOD PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM!! I won't however spend more than a few dollars on an OS, until I know it will be easy to install and run. In the meantime, I'll enjoy the amazing deals I find on eBay.
 
Old 01-02-2004, 09:48 AM   #22
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I bought a copy of SuSE 9 Pro because I really intended running it. Normally I just d/l the isos. When I get the system back up and running I will either use SuSE or buy a copy of Slackware.

Any of the prices quoted, even for a copy from a shop, are still a damn sight cheaper than the price of a certain other OS I could mention
 
Old 01-02-2004, 02:15 PM   #23
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My point is that some guy is trying to make profit by buying RHEL or SuSE and selling it on ebay. These guys read the first few line of the GPL and think "yeah, I'm going to make a buck" but they are actually damaging the linux community. From what I can gather from the responses here, there are companies that legally reproduce a distro at a low cost, I imagine that they pay some kind of fee to the developers. Another alliterative is buying text books with publishers editions of linux on CD. One person here has forked out $21.00USD on ebay, for that amount you could have bought a book with an up to date distro, after reading the book you wouldn't have too many problems setting up a linux box, when your done sell the book get your money back.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/redhat3/

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Old 01-02-2004, 04:21 PM   #24
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It's not illegal to "Sell" RH or any other Linux Dist including using the dist's name

However! your sales price is supposed to only cover expense and a little time
(a cd shouldn't cost over 6.00 or so + shipping)

There are alot of "new" users and even veterans who do not need Enterprise versions of RH but would rather have something with a little better support than that provided in their new scheme.

I've been using Slackware for 4 years.. I grab the ISO every upgrade, test it, and if it's ok I always buy before installing on my production servers.

There's nothing wrong with RH making money off Linux
There's nothing wrong with John Q Public making money off Linux

But to me there is something wrong when the end user faces a "take it or leave it" mentality not to mention paying prices for what they don't want.

As far as RH's new structure (to me) I think it's a mistake, but then again who am I ... nobody

Just my 2 cents
 
Old 01-02-2004, 05:04 PM   #25
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Red Hat say that the GPL allows customers to freely copy RHEL, but considers unauthorised copying a breach of service contract that could lead to breach of contract lawsuit. I can't see Red Hat authorising some guy to sell RHEL on ebay for 30.00USD, can you? I would say that down the road, perhaps a year from now, Fedora will be a top distro (probably like Debian is now, distro for all archs) and RHEL will stay the same.
 
Old 01-03-2004, 01:29 AM   #26
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Hey that works for me. I mean that I would spend a little more for a more polished distro. No-one should expect any operating system to load and run, in seconds, without problems. I'm just having problems justifying a $100-$300 purchase of something that will take me over a year to set up, considering my overall inexperience in these matters. I am anxious to learn Linux, but I don't have the time to really pursue it aggressively. I've been hoping that the mainstream distros are finally reaching out to the less enlightened, like me. That's why I bought that stupid "Lindows 4.0" disk.
I heard it installs and runs easily, grabbed one from eBay for cheap. There's NO way I would pay any substantial amount for anything that is untested by me, or unproven to me! So, I get them for a few bucks, maybe try them, maybe not.
Never tried the "Lindows", not sure I like the name. Kinda feels like an insult to the open source.
Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the day when I can run my TV tuner w/remote, DVedit onto my DVD burner through firewire, watch DVD's on my 10 foot screen through my High-def Sony projector, play my favorite PC games on that screen, in full stereoptic 3-D , running those games through my Game Drive, (no disks), making backup copies of my favorite movies and games, not to mention CAD programs, and much more.., all in Linux. Without me studying my ass off.

I'm having enough problems getting all this crap to run well with win98!

I look forward to learning Linux, but don't ask me to spend much until I know what I want. In the meantime I might return to the nice people I've met on eBay to give me a deal on something new. Maybe the next one.....
 
  


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