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Old 01-03-2007, 11:12 AM   #16
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Are you sure about that? AFAIK, Nero for Linux is relatively new and I find it hard to believe they would just have a front end for some other software. Even if they did, it's only $20 and is drag and drop like the Windows version, which makes it much easier to use than command line.
While I agree the GUI would make it much easier than terminal, why pay even $5 for software, when there are perfectly suitable free apps to handle cd/dvd burning?

GnomeBaker/Kb3/Nero, all operate in a fairly similar fashion. No reason not to use the free one if you ask me, but its all opinion of course.

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Old 01-03-2007, 11:31 AM   #17
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While I agree the GUI would make it much easier than terminal, why pay even $5 for software, when there are perfectly suitable free apps to handle cd/dvd burning?

GnomeBaker/Kb3/Nero, all operate in a fairly similar fashion. No reason not to use the free one if you ask me, but its all opinion of course.

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I would say it's certainly worth paying $20 for something if saves lots of time. I had not heard of Kb3, but have just done a search for it and eventually found its download page. One area I think Nero does very well indeed in, is its simplicity of download and installation. No having to mess around with untarring, making, configuring etc. Even working out which version of Kb3 to download is not straightforward.

Having a quick surf, many people think Kb3 is much better than Nero, but I've seen claims that you get lots of burn failures with Kb3 and Nero is much more reliable.

However, I would completely agree, if there is software out there that does the trick, doesn't take ages to install and get to grips with, then it's a better way to go.
 
Old 01-03-2007, 12:17 PM   #18
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As a postscript to the above, I've had a go at installing k3b. It's took around twenty minutes to download and compile the files (the compilation was very slow). It then said I also need to install cdrecord and something else. So I downloaded cdrecord (which wasn't totally straightforward) and ran ./configure. This then said just use make. So I ran make and it seemed to compile, but didn't help when booting k3b. Doing a search round this forum and the web makes it seem like it's a far from easy thing to install. Even once that's installed it seems there's something else to install.

You compare this with Nero which was simply a case of clicking on the rpm filename and entering the root password. It just installed and it just worked. Definitely worth $20. I've given up on k3b and will happily use Nero.
 
Old 01-03-2007, 12:49 PM   #19
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"HowTo: Create a DVD, with menus, Complete steps"
http://www.geocities.com/reverendsky...with_menus.txt

Detailed guide that Lady Cuddles from the sidux.com forum posted, very detailed, based on using Debian Sid. The means to install some of the apps used will vary based on the distro you use.

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Old 01-03-2007, 09:46 PM   #20
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Having a quick surf, many people think Kb3 is much better than Nero, but I've seen claims that you get lots of burn failures with Kb3 and Nero is much more reliable.
Hmm, never heard that, but I don't use it to often either. I've been very very happy with Gnomebaker, used it repeatedly, and I think I've had 1 bad burn, and I suspect that one might have been my fault...

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Old 01-03-2007, 09:59 PM   #21
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I guess i'd like to know why I should spend 20$ and a headache when I can use kb3 for free.
It also has drag and drop, is very newbie friendly, and as far as I can tell does everything most users would require.
 
Old 01-04-2007, 02:32 AM   #22
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I guess i'd like to know why I should spend 20$ and a headache when I can use kb3 for free.
It also has drag and drop, is very newbie friendly, and as far as I can tell does everything most users would require.
The reason is in post #18. I spent well over half an hour installing k3b and cdrecord and k3b resolutely refuses to "see" cdrecord. Even if I got that to work, then there were more extra programs you have to install.

With Nero it was click, install, run.

The headache is with k3b, not Nero and that's clearly worth $20 to many people!

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Old 01-05-2007, 10:30 PM   #23
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I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you dont take this the wrong way, but I noticed you are using Mandriva, which I also have used in the past, and stopped using for the same type of problems you are listing. Just my own experience.
 
Old 01-06-2007, 04:39 AM   #24
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No offence taken at all.

I've been using Mandrake/Mandriva for five or six years now and found it pretty user friendly on the whole and 2007 is much better than 10.0 which I was using before.

I honestly don't know whether any of the distributions would be better in that respect, but I rather suspect the likes of Slackware - which I did have a play with at one point - wouldn't!

To get the thread back on track, I mentioned the install problem with k3b to a "real life" friend and he pointed me in the right direction. It's now working and it does work very well. I really don't know why k3b installation doesn't have a comprehensive set of instructions of exactly how to install those extra programs. When I get a little more time I will attempt to do that on this thread to maybe save other people the pain I went through!

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Old 01-06-2007, 05:31 AM   #25
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The headache is with k3b, not Nero and that's clearly worth $20 to many people!
Just curious, did you try to use Yum to install k3b? You might have had a lot easier time with it. Its been ages since Ive used Mandrake, but the dependency thing was annoying. One of the things that appealed to me about Ubuntu, were the huge repositories, and not getting stuck in dependency hell. I installed K3b and GnomeBaker with around 3 clicks each.

Sounds to me though, Nero would be worth the $20 to save you the headache.

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Old 01-06-2007, 05:39 AM   #26
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Just curious, did you try to use Yum to install k3b? You might have had a lot easier time with it. Its been ages since Ive used Mandrake, but the dependency thing was annoying. One of the things that appealed to me about Ubuntu, were the huge repositories, and not getting stuck in dependency hell. I installed K3b and GnomeBaker with around 3 clicks each.

Sounds to me though, Nero would be worth the $20 to save you the headache.

IGF
Ummm, what's yum?
 
Old 01-06-2007, 09:27 AM   #27
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Yum is a package manager . . . . Synaptic Package Manager also works in 2007 . . . These really would save you from worrying about the dependencies. for kicks and grins you should download and install on a separate partition one one the Distros that use "apt-get" and see how you like it. Theres a bunch out there, but basically any Debian flavor will do. You may like what you see if it's been a while since you've looked.
 
Old 01-10-2007, 09:05 PM   #28
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another reason for k3b may be to fail and give bad burns might the dma settings for the drive(s). to check: (in a console as root) root@1[ron]# hdparm -d /dev/hdb will output the status of dma for hdb (my burner in this case) 1 = on and 0 = off:
/dev/hdb:
using_dma = 1 (on)

to enable dma type: hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdb
unless this causes system crashes this should generally be left enabled but some distro's will disable this by default for stability reasons. when enabled this should also enhance general drive acces performance.

the way i described it above is the save way as it will be back to previous state after reboot but when you type: hdparm -d 1 -k /dev/hdb it will keep this setting after reboot/reset.

just thought it might be an answer to some problems out there.
 
Old 01-10-2007, 09:10 PM   #29
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correction to syntax above: hdparm -d -k 1 /dev/hdb will keep it on after reset/reboot.
 
Old 01-10-2007, 09:19 PM   #30
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The reason is in post #18. I spent well over half an hour installing k3b and cdrecord and k3b resolutely refuses to "see" cdrecord. Even if I got that to work, then there were more extra programs you have to install.

With Nero it was click, install, run.

The headache is with k3b..
Wrong, if K3B cannot be easily installed by your package manager, this is a problem with your distribution, not the program K3B.
 
  


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