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Old 07-23-2006, 06:06 PM   #16
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I’ve just been checking the SuSE/Novell documentation. In the section on updating, Novell recommends, “copying the old configuration files to a separate medium...”

To quote:
“This primarily applies to files stored in /etc as well as some of the directories and files in /var and /opt. You may also want to write the user data in /home (the HOME directories) to a backup medium. Back up this data as root. Only root has read permission for all local files.

Novell also recommends checking /etc/passwd and /etc/group for syntax errors using “pwck” and “grpck”

Would it be a good idea to back-up all of these areas on a regular basis in case of a crashed system?
Like I say, if you already have all the packages on the install CD's then is it really necessary?

If you have enough kit for the "separate medium" stuff then it's entirely up to you. I haven't come across "pwck/grpck" before, they could well be "distro specific" tools from Novell.

It's all about choice, which you're discovering, just how much of, is given back to you as your systems administrator.

Back up the "whole shooting match" if you feel it would be safer (and have the time/assets/etc etc). Personally if it's not a production environment system, I'd say that thats "kicking the arse out of it".

But hey!, I'll have a large glass of choice please barman.

regards

John

p.s. Novell know a hell of a lot more about their software than I do, so .............
 
Old 07-23-2006, 08:56 PM   #17
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John,

Maybe what Novell is suggesting is a backup of those areas in case an upgrade has problems and the user has to "roll back" to the previous version??? That would be a different problem from a reinstallation of the same OS version.

Earlier you suggested that I take a look at different distributions but I had no idea, until today, that they might be that different. I downloaded all of the Linux commands from the linux commands website. I started trying them in SuSE today and was suprised at how many of them are not available - or they have been piped to other similar commands. I suspect that you are correct when you suggest that “pwck” and “grpck are probably "distro specific".

Actually, I'm having trouble finding a complete list of the commands that are used by SuSE. Maybe it's a sign of how far Linux has come from its command line roots - Novell just expects that the majority of users will not delve below the KDE or Gnome front ends. Of course its also possible that I simply haven't gotten deep enough into Novell's documentation to find them!

Thanks for your response.
 
Old 07-25-2006, 01:33 PM   #18
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Da nada my friend, thats what LQ is for.

You sound very conversant with PC matters. If you are into CLI, which is by virtue of control/knowledge, more powerful, than GUI, then when you have your head round linux a little more, maybe you should look into the "power distros" i.e. Gentoo, Slackware, Debian (proper, not a derivative like I'm currently using).

I never had much luck with either Slackware or Debian. Though I found Gentoo excellent. Their forums are stuff with some seriously knowledgable users. It's a CLI addicts' dream. Yes, they are developing some more gui tools, but it's pretty true to proper/original linux - Ha! I say that, yet their package manager system (called portage) is more like a BSD system. The main command is "emerge" - which is distro specific !

Anyway, I hope you are enjoying the world that is linux.

regards

John
 
Old 07-25-2006, 11:13 PM   #19
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I never had much luck with either Slackware or Debian.
I don't know how long it is since you tried Debian but I have have found it marvellous.

For several years I "had a go" at Linux every 18 months, only to give up each time. Finally I installed Mandrake 9 and within 3 months was only booting Windows when I had to.

However I started to find Mandrake too restrictive, especially for updates, and, based on the Debian statements, switched to it.

I had to climb another learning hill but now I wouldn't switch for worlds.
 
Old 07-26-2006, 08:23 AM   #20
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Anyway, I hope you are enjoying the world that is linux.
Yes, I am.

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But hey!, I'll have a large glass of choice please barman.
That pretty much says it. It's a bit different from Windows.
 
  


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