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Old 12-07-2011, 02:36 AM   #16
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I think the OP's vision of persistence is simply the ability for applications to store their data files to non-volatile storage
no, it is the ability to save customized settings for programs

The importance of whether the distro loads a full image with all its programs at boot up vs. loading a kernel only at boot up and then each program as needed, is to manage RAM space.

From your post and some others, I gather that Tinycore and Microcore would allow the user to manage RAM space well, better that Puppy, so that it would allow a better experience when one does not have much RAM.


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There is at least one embedded systems vendor that provides a tool to copy an entire RAM disk to a flash memory partition for preservation of changes, but this is intended to be used on a deliberate basis by the user only, and not automatically.
Which one?
Is it a separate program to install, or a distro?
Is the RAM disk in question an installed, dedicated portion of RAM, or is the term loosely used to describe "anything and everything that is in RAM at the time"?
 
Old 12-07-2011, 11:57 AM   #17
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no, it is the ability to save customized settings for programs
Okay, if you see that as a distinction, then sure.

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The importance of whether the distro loads a full image with all its programs at boot up vs. loading a kernel only at boot up and then each program as needed, is to manage RAM space.

From your post and some others, I gather that Tinycore and Microcore would allow the user to manage RAM space well, better that Puppy, so that it would allow a better experience when one does not have much RAM.
Again, there is a distinction between how RAM is used. If a system uses a RAM based filesystem, it will use RAM as its storage, as well as for running applications. There is a significant distinction. A filesystem is accessed through conventional file IO and filesystem semantics (open(),read(),write(),close(),seek(),stat(),etc.). Userspace applications see a RAM-based filesystem (RAM-disk) as mostly indistinguishable from non-volatile storage. The other use of RAM is to load programs at runtime. This becomes the executable code, data, heap, stack, etc. used while the program executes.
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Which one?
Is it a separate program to install, or a distro?
Is the RAM disk in question an installed, dedicated portion of RAM, or is the term loosely used to describe "anything and everything that is in RAM at the time"?
Technologic Systems uses it in some or all of their ARM based SBC products. The RAM disk is the initrd loaded at boot time by the bootloader, and used as the root filesytem. When configurations, data, etc are modified, those changes are made only to the RAM-based filesystem, and would be lost on reboot. TS provides a tool to copy the filesystem (only) back to non-volatile storage, where a subsequent re-boot will reflect the changes made in the prior session. In the case to which I refer, there is slightly more to it than a simple filesystem duplication, as the format of the filesystem as an initrd must be recreated to enable the bootloader and kernel to understand it. That arrangement may not be necessary in other systems, depending on the specific architecture.

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Old 12-07-2011, 06:33 PM   #18
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hi

IMHO you are better off staying with TC

Puppy uses "scatter mode or traditional file system install" while TC uses fixed packages that are accessed at boot or accessed on demand or NOT accessed.....much more flexible

Not sure why you need 4G....1G should suffice.

You will find a wiki page on usb formats claiming you can extend the life of stick by not using a journal.
But you should not have mission critical stuff on any USB format stick so lets not get too excited....and the cost means just have a duplicate ok?

(IMHO I prefer ext3 so if there is a power issue on reboot a journal is recovered)

2) copy-paste file manager...with view mode text
suggest you look at PCManFM which is the default fm for LXDE.

running knoppix without any switches will boot you into a lxde session so you can play with it to see if you like it.

good luck

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hi

IMHO you are better off staying with TC

Puppy uses "scatter mode or traditional file system install" while TC uses fixed packages that are accessed at boot or accessed on demand or NOT accessed.....much more flexible

Not sure why you need 4G....1G should suffice.

You will find a wiki page on usb formats claiming you can extend the life of stick by not using a journal.
But you should not have mission critical stuff on any USB format stick so lets not get too excited....and the cost means just have a duplicate ok?

(IMHO I prefer ext3 so if there is a power issue on reboot a journal is recovered)

2) copy-paste file manager...with view mode text
suggest you look at PCManFM which is the default fm for LXDE.

running knoppix without any switches will boot you into a lxde session so you can play with it to see if you like it.

good luck
 
Old 12-07-2011, 07:56 PM   #19
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I haven't used slax but it would seem to work
 
Old 12-08-2011, 02:00 PM   #20
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Which of these from the above list, come installed as part of Microcore, which are add-on installs?
Please elaborate on the USB modem, are you tethering a smartphone to your laptop/PC that way? (I've only seen how-to guides for doing this in Windows, not in Linux as yet)
hello,
Im not a TC developper but a user.. so..
microcore comes with ethernet. And you will come to a prompt!
When I start microcore, I have to load additionally..
Xorg74
Xlibs
Wbar
fluff
.. for having a grafic interface and file manager.
for any other connections with mobiles, you have to load wvdial etc. (it works for me with a fonic device where I posted advices in the www.tinycorelinux.net forum; and: I make currently the installation with a mobile UMTS for a colleague).
So, TC is a bit of work.. but SPEED!
 
Old 12-15-2011, 04:32 AM   #21
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Loading TinyCore with essential programs

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...When I start microcore, I have to load additionally..
Xorg74
Xlibs
Wbar
fluff
.. for having a grafic interface and file manager.
Thanks, sounds really good!
do these come with the Tinycore package install download? which version exactly?
If these programs are part of the package, how do you load each of them at the TinyCore prompt?
If they are not, please list the commands to load them from the web, at the TinyCore prompt?


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for any other connections with mobiles, you have to load wvdial etc. (it works for me with a fonic device where I posted advices in the www.tinycorelinux.net forum
Please give the title of your thread there, or the link? I looked and did not find anything searching for wvdia

Last edited by NetLinux; 12-15-2011 at 04:34 AM.
 
Old 01-02-2012, 01:22 PM   #22
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sorry for the loonng time to answer (I missed something..).
So, to the questions.

"do these come with the Tinycore package install download? which version exactly?"
since I am having tinycorelinux on my boxes / SDs / CFs since a while, I am not using an ISO for installing anymore. But, so far I understood, the multicore.iso from version 4.2 should be downloaded (and written on CD) and started from CD. Then different applications are there for your to make a quick install. No line command necessary but simply use the "appbrowser" to load the programms/drivers/..

"If these programs are part of the package, how do you load each of them at the TinyCore prompt?"
tce-load -wi wvdial (it would load and activate the wvdial extension; but it would be gone at next boot if the "persistence" is not activated). See the different tce-load parameters in the wiki.

"If they are not, please list the commands to load them from the web, at the TinyCore prompt?"
In an installed microcore prompt (version 4.2)
tce-load -wi Xvesa
tce-load -wi fluff
tce-load -wi Xprogs
tce-load -wi wbar
tce-load -wi Xlibs
tce-load -wi flwm_topside
tce-load -wi appbrowser-cli
tce-load -wi minefield
startx

WVDIAL "Please give the title of your thread there, or the link?"
here is a short howto I made http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index....html#msg61207
 
  


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