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Old 08-27-2005, 05:21 PM   #1
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are partitions safe?


I'm recovering from a system crash (Xandros 2.0).

I can boot up the Windows 98 SE partition, but not the Xandros partition.

Having failed to back up in the past (still kicking myself over that), I am trying to save some data before I start from scratch (if I have to).

With Knoppix (3.1, but 3.9 is on the way), I can view both the Windows and Xandros partitions. I would like to copy my data from the Xandros partition to a network drive (Windows data has already been done with Windows). If that is not possible, I would like to copy my Xandros data to Windows, then to the network drive.

Here's the question...

Will copying from Xandros to Windows within Knoppix damage the Xandros partition any further?

Will it damage my only currently working partition -- the Windows one?

Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
Old 08-27-2005, 05:57 PM   #2
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Will copying from Xandros to Windows within Knoppix damage the Xandros partition any further?
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No.

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Will it damage my only currently working partition -- the Windows one?
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No.

Under normal circumstances, you don't have to fear. But you have to figure out what caused the crash, in the first place. Maybe there's another thing wrong with the machine. If you have any troubling hardware (such as memory), and this piece of hardware fails during the transfer with knoppix, then you are screwed.

Why can't you save on the network using knoppix? If you can see the xandros drive with it and you can connect to the network, it seems to be the most reliable course of action.
 
Old 08-28-2005, 10:04 AM   #3
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thanks,...

Thanks. I had a feeling the partitions would be OK, but I needed confirmation.

"But you have to figure out what caused the crash, in the first place..."

The problems started when it failed to shut down correctly (from Xandros). It wouldn't boot up to Xandros after that. I lost the boot up menu when I tried to boot up Xandros in expert mode. For a while, the install CD wouldn't boot up correctly; this changed when I changed one of the BIOS settings (disabled USB legacy something). I have no idea why this would work. The install CD gets to the part where it's supposed to copy files, then re-boots -- no changes made. I'm hoping I need to clear up some space on the Xandros partition. The good news with the unsuccessful reinstall is that I got my boot menu back and can boot up in Windows (again, not sure why, but I'm thankful). At one point, I did change the memory card back to it's original card. No effect, so I changed it back.


"Why can't you save on the network using knoppix? If you can see the xandros drive with it and you can connect to the network, it seems to be the most reliable course of action."

That's the plan, but my version of Knoppix can't see the network drive. I searched the Knoppix site, and they have pretty clear instructions for finding network drives. However, the instructions require a newer version of Knoppix. A newer version of Knoppix is on the way. I'd rather save directly to the network drive, but Plan B is to go from Xandros to Windows, then to the network drive.

Thanks again.
 
Old 08-28-2005, 07:38 PM   #4
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First thing to do would be to boot-up from a CDROM and investigate the status of the hard-drive(s) and partition(s). Are they, or are they not, intact and usable.

(What was that BIOS setting you changed, and what happens if you change it back?)

If the partitions are intact, as I suspect they are, then the problem might well be [just] with the master-boot record (MBR) and/or the boot-loader... Grub (I hope) or LILO or something-else. After you determine if the data is still there, determine what's the status of the boot-loader. You should be able to re-establish those settings correctly, while operating from the environment of the CD-ROM.

Don't do anything drastic, don't reformat or reinstall anything, until you have diagnosed the present situation and fully understand it!

Welcome to "system recovery."
 
Old 08-29-2005, 10:33 AM   #5
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huh?

I can read the data on the partitions by using Knoppix (CD). If there's another way to determine if the partitions are intact and usable, please point me in the right direction.

The BIOS setting was something with "legacy" and "USB" in it. I enabled it when I enabled booting from the CD ("while I'm here..."). When I disabled it (the default), my Xandros install disk worked (mostly, see previous messages). When the CD didn't work, it would boot, show some symbols and text and black bars, and lock up. I'm not sure why a USB setting would affect the booting of a CD, but I'm leaving it as is. The BIOS thing was a post-crash event; I was in the BIOS to enable booting up with my (re)install CD.

I'm pretty sure I'm working with LILO. I'm getting the boot up menu, but when I select Xandros, it hangs when it gets to loading the kernel. Can I tinker with LILO within Knoppix? I don't know how to "determine the status of the boot loader" or tinker with it.
 
Old 08-29-2005, 11:10 AM   #6
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The fact that you can read the data using knoppix means the filesystems are ok. Actually, the filesystems can be damaged with such crashes, not the partitions.
If I were in your position, I wouldnīt spend much time trying to figure what happened. Iīd Just backup data and reinstall everything. Thatīs just a suggestion.
 
  


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