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Old 11-16-2003, 03:15 PM   #1
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And I thought Linux was suppose to be a simpler more efficient operating system?


I currently got Windows XP pro with MS OFFICE 2000 & buttloads of other little programs on that 366 mhz celeron 384MB SDRAM 13 gig HD -- 5400rpm --- YES IT IS A BIT SLOW to click in and out of files compared to the screamers at the college lab --- but hey, it's not that bad for what I need it to do with my life.


If mandrake 9.2 and the comparable comparable office application software is gonna choke it to a snails pace? Doesn't that kind of kill the school of thought that insists Linux is simpler, more stable, free from defects of complications?

why is it so slow?

Let me make this clear. I don't intend to design CAD or CGI or play THE latest greatest games on a LINUX machine JUST YET.

I just want to use it as a much more efficient browser and downloader, a very secure file storage unit, some application software, and to be defiant of ever feeling I've ever spent more money than I needed to spend on software EVER, EVER AGAIN.

I've paid my dues and had enough.
 
Old 11-16-2003, 03:27 PM   #2
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Your system shoudn't be very slow in Linux. With 384MB RAM it should be rather OK. You need to find out what makes it slow. You may think about another window manager (KDE is resource hungry, but your amount of RAM should be OK for it), but before doing anything different open a terminal and run 'top'. It lists most memory and processor hungry apps. Run a program or two and observe the window. Please list the apps you suspect to use the resurces. You may also post the result of 'ps aux' command (started from a terminal) - it lists all the processes running. There may be many you don't need and can close.
 
Old 11-16-2003, 03:36 PM   #3
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Before you get all frustrated, there are things that you can check.

1) Did you do a full install with all services running, so you are now running sshd, vfstp, apache, samba, xinetd, telnet, and on and on. See what services you have running, turn uneeded ones off.

2) Do you have all the default eye candy on in KDE (animate window move, fill in contents on move, launch feedback, etc). Explore and turn these off

3) What is your video card. If onboard, then likely, your video performance affects things. See if there are better drivers for your video.

4) So you have dma/udma activated on your hard drive.
What does
hdparm -Tt /dev/hda
and
hdparm /dev/hda
and
hdparm -i /dev/hda

show?


RO

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Old 11-16-2003, 03:44 PM   #4
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It's a simply because the HW was made specifically for another OS and not Linux.
The hackers & people behind Linux, did a greate job of porting/supporting (and some times writing from scratch) drivers and software for the current HW that is sold in the market.
When a computer manufacturer would design specific HW/machine for Linux then ut would be a different story.
If you had problems regarding speed, doing what Mara & RolledOat just sayd will help, and choosing a different & lighter window manager (KDE, Gnome are heavy).
If OpenOffice is heavy there are others that will do the work nicely.

At the end it all sums up on your will and choice, if you like to go back to Windows then your free to do so (a man's meatloaf if another man's poison, I always say)

Ginux

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Old 11-16-2003, 03:44 PM   #5
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I've installed a couple of the most recent mandrake versions and quite a few RH versions. The most recent ones are incredibly bloated. I figured i might as well try Slackware and it is definately beats out any Mandrake or RH versions i have tried. Its fast, sleek, stable, secure, etc. The best way i can describe Slackware is that it is Linux without all of the crap that you don't need. I had the same problem as you and I can garuntee you that Slackware will be a hell of a lot faster than RH or Mandrake. And i will say that i don't see why people are saying Slackware is for gurus or expirienced linux users, etc. From a newbies point of view I don't see any difference between Slackware and RH in how hard they are to use or learn. The only difference i noticed was that the Slackware installation was only *slightly* more complicated but it wasn't hard at all and even a nub like myself didn't have any problems installing it.
 
Old 11-16-2003, 03:48 PM   #6
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someone told me that Mandrake 9.2 would be slow on this machine

I was told IceWm would be allright.

KDE & gnome is what would slow it?


So which does Mandrake 9.2 have available?


among these GUI's of the system:

Kde, Gnome, IceWM, Windowmaker, Blackbox, Fluxbox, ...


If I double post because I got a little impatient with waiting for a reply elsewhere and/or wanted diverse responses, pardon me Mr. forum memory-management conservation police man.
 
Old 11-16-2003, 03:58 PM   #7
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if you dont care about overly pretty stuff, use iceWM
loads LIGHTNING fast compared to gnome and kde.
 
Old 11-16-2003, 04:01 PM   #8
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Wow calmdown, people are try to help here....

The big GUI's might be a reason, but what other people sayd helps aswell, (enableing DMA on the HDD, reducing the loaded uneeded programs) will speed up the system
Try it out, you'll notice a difference.
 
Old 11-16-2003, 04:03 PM   #9
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Good IDEA, I'll remember that. Believe me I don't care about eye candy and "pretty stuff" -- though I do like to choose my favorite colors & fonts of the GUI and keep the settings as high resolution as possible --- I don't care for the fluffy 3d crap.

I just like to click in and out of files and open a lot of "windows" or "pages" at once.

thanks qwijibow.

So does IceWM come installed with Mandrake 9.2 or come as part of the package, or is it something I get seperate and have to tweak settings to install it properly?
 
Old 11-16-2003, 04:06 PM   #10
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Your help is much appreciated

Thank you very much. It's not something I take for granted
 
Old 11-16-2003, 04:07 PM   #11
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Re: someone told me that Mandrake 9.2 would be slow on this machine

Quote:
Originally posted by studpenguin
among these GUI's of the system:

Kde, Gnome, IceWM, Windowmaker, Blackbox, Fluxbox, ...

Based on what you sayd, YES..
You might try choosing it when loging on the system, or you may try the switchdesk command
 
Old 11-16-2003, 04:08 PM   #12
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Re: someone told me that Mandrake 9.2 would be slow on this machine

Quote:
Originally posted by studpenguin
If I double post because I got a little impatient with waiting for a reply elsewhere and/or wanted diverse responses, pardon me Mr. forum memory-management conservation police man.
I am not a moderator, and what I said was MILD compared to what you could have gotten, and probably will get. Anyway, ciao, you can have all your money back you paid me for my help.

RO

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Old 11-16-2003, 04:13 PM   #13
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that was just a listing of linux comparable GUI's I found at this site

The table of equivalents / replacements / analogs of Windows software in Linux.
Last update: 16.07.2003.

http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-l...en/table.shtml


I don't know exactly what Mandrake 9.2 has in it yet or what kind of options I can find in the package. Actually I don't even own it yet.
 
Old 11-16-2003, 04:19 PM   #14
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No problem, in any case you can find it here http://www.icewm.org/
+ the FAQ & howto http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/
 
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I am not a moderator, and what I said was MILD compared to what you could have gotten, and probably will get.

Hrrrm, hrrm. There it goes...
//Moderator note: studpenguin: you have crossposted a message, which is against the LQ Rules. Cross-posting is considered bad netiquette on your part, a waste of resources on LQ's part and a waste of time for LQ members who take the time your question. Please do not do that again.

...now that's MILD, innit?
 
  


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